Inspired by posts from this thread https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...-in-the-list-of-wlads-best-wins.607507/page-2 Where do you rank David Haye as a CW? And what's your list of top-5 (top-10) CWs of all time? Who should be ranked ahead of Haye?
Holyfield is greatest cruiser weight of all time, Johnny Nelson beat Thompson who knocked Haye out so I would put those two guys above Haye but Thompson couldn`t even knock out a super middle in the form Chris Eubank when they met twice in the 90`s. Bellew was a better cruiser than Haye and if he`d of been champion when Haye was cruiser then David probably wouldn`t have won his titles or may have lost rematches to Bellew etc, main point is he just wasn`t a level above these guys and Nelson wasn`t even all that, there were two world title fights that he had where he didn`t even throw a punch in each fight!
I agree with this vid and Rumy stated that undet his Ring magazine scoring system Haye didn`t even make the top 10 cruiser`s of the 2000`s because he didn`t stay around at the weight long enough to deserve a ranking, instead he just looked for a big payday against Vitali or Wlad, he didn`t mind. The same could be said of James Toney who would of easily destroyed Haye at cruiser and heavyweight. This content is protected
Well, I've said what I said in the other thread : Haye's OVERRATED as a cruiserweight, for some reason. His resume is thin at CW, even by the low standards the division has historically. I certainly don't think he makes the top 5. I agree that it makes absolute sense to have Johnny Nelson above him.
Not sure really. He didn't stick around long enough for a proper assessment of his abilities. Beating Mormeck is a decent scalp, as is taking the then-undefeated Macca's 0 in a one-sided blowout, but those wins alone aren't exactly the stuff legends are made of, and his resume really drops off after that. Haye had a lot of talent, and the types of attributes that would have netted him some good wins had he remained in the division, but the fact is he didn't, so it's impossible to rate him except on hypotheticals. Personally, I think if you strip away his flash and dazzle, and analyse his wins with a dispassionate eye, he really doesn't impress at all. A shame, as he could have been a much more accomplished fighter at that weight.
Holyfield and Usyk are clearly above Haye. Gomez has a more impressive run of wins. I'd also say Lebedev has done more at the weight to be ranked higher. Nelson as well. After that it becomes a bit of a free for all.
Do we count sub 200 heavyweights? That makes a massive difference, and if you count one's like Joe Louis who are within the not making weight weights of cruiserweights he probably wouldn't even be top 20.
no, backdating records isnt on, joe louis was a HW. Haye is a top ten CW. Basically a top tenner in a subdivision of HW, which is damning him with feint praise.
That's the way I rank, bro. Couldn't see him cracking this cheeky little ATG Cruiser twenty!: Langford Dempsey Johnson Marciano Holyfield Louis Tunney Fitzsimmons Choynski Patterson Walcott Charles Schmeling Corbett Jeanette Conn Moore T Sharkey Johansson Moorer... Or Greb...
Actually looking over it Louis was sub 200 in several fights. Braddock Farr Schemling Godoy Conn For ones within not making weight weight, more like Jeffries and Harry Wills. Muhammad Ali would actually count that, so damn Haye would be a lot lower than I thought
Ruhlin maybe belongs in there, knocked out Sharkey, and beat Choynski, though a bit of an inconsistat performer. Maybe Jackson and Sullivan too, but there's a pretty good case for just flat out excluding ones that early for the rankings (especially Sullivan) due to the poor recording. Tracy Callis ranks that way and did a top 10 cruiserweights that looked like 1. Jack Johnson 2. Jack Dempsey 3. Joe Louis 4. Gene Tunney 5. Jim Corbett 6. Rocky Marciano 7. John L. Sullivan 8. Peter Jackson 9. Bob Fitzsimmons 10. Tom Sharkey Always interesting to compare.
