Weight lifting question.

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Rakim, Jun 12, 2008.


  1. Rakim

    Rakim Captain ****wit Full Member

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    I've been doing nothing but compound routines for the last year or so, today I tried a load of isolation stuff just for a change. I did flyes, reverse forearm curls, tricep pushdowns, lat raises, and curls. All for 3 sets of 9 reps.

    I'm just wondering, is there any advantage at all in doing these instead of compound stuff? For example, which is better for muscle growth in the triceps and pecs; bench press, or a combination of both flyes and pushdowns?

    Cheers in advance, lads.
     
  2. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pointless.

    If you want big, strong forearms do lifts which require a strong grip i.e. deadlift, weighted pull/chinups etc.

    It takes a lot of weight to activate all three heads of the triceps and induce maximum hypertrophy. Dips and close grip bench press are best.

    Both are pointless unless you are correcting muscle imbalances.

    Unless you're a bodybuilder taking vitamin S, no.

    Muscle growth is systemic. A single muscle won't grow much unless the surrounding muscles grow as well. I don't bother with isolation for this very reason.
     
  3. Rakim

    Rakim Captain ****wit Full Member

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    Perfect. I was hoping for a reply from both you and Jazzo, so if he says the same thing I'll go back to my compound stuff. I definitely missed the pain of doing deadlifts and squats.

    Cheers mate :good
     
  4. viktorkrupp

    viktorkrupp New Member Full Member

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    isolation is for bodybuilders and rehabing <PERIOD>
    you want to be able to engage your muscles together to fight.

    For example have you seen someone with great punching but lousy footwork? Their bodies don't work as a unit, isolation excercises exagerate this, that's why meatheads make lousy fighters.
     
  5. Rakim

    Rakim Captain ****wit Full Member

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    I don't box, this was just a question about muscle growth really. Cheers though.
     
  6. viktorkrupp

    viktorkrupp New Member Full Member

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    Sorry man, I get on a rant sometimes. :)
     
  7. boxingtactics07

    boxingtactics07 Active Member Full Member

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    towel pullups help for stronger forearms, knuckle pushups help with hands, finger pushups help with fingers, regular pushups help for palm, incline bench press helps with chest, parallel bar dips and french press help with triceps, bent over rows with biceps, lunges instead of leg curl, step-ups instead of leg extension, squats instead of leg press, etc. The only isolation I remember worth using were Barbell Shrugs. I haven't done any weight lifting in a long because boxing overtook that, but now that im out of boxing... I was thinking of following a "boxercise" program at home 5 days a week and trying crossfit.com as an addition to that. IE: Monday-Friday: 2-3 mile run, 15 minutes of jump-rope, 10 rounds various bag-work, pushups, situps, pullups. Then follow crossfit for the day as it's shown (as an addition, not a replacement). I don't like general weight-lifting programs like 5X5 strength and 3X10 bodybuilding... weights just got old & boring after reaping the initial hypertrophy & strength benefits.
     
  8. younghypnotiq

    younghypnotiq Boxing Addict Full Member

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    your sucha ****ing moron. their not pointless. they just arent as effective as compound lifts generally. you are so one sided its hiliarious. back on topic. stick to compound lifts unless you have a muscle imbalance.
     
  9. younghypnotiq

    younghypnotiq Boxing Addict Full Member

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    im sure ronnie coleman would kick the **** out of most fighters. meat heads actually do make good fighters since they are so strong. also most meat heads dont use mostly isolation excercises u moron. im assuming by meathead u mean a body builder, powerlifter, or a football player or somethingi. all those guys use mostly compound lifts.
     
  10. boxingtactics07

    boxingtactics07 Active Member Full Member

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    I don't know if that was the best example. Ronnie coleman is too big and too slow and would definitely hurt someone if he connected on the inside. As far as being a fighter though, he would be lousy as viktor said.
     
  11. younghypnotiq

    younghypnotiq Boxing Addict Full Member

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    bro. if you takea top power lifter or top olypic lifter they could **** alot of people up. they would not makea bad fighter. that is a stupid thing to say. obviously with no training they would be just as bad as tyson would be with no training.
     
  12. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Explain to me the reasons for doing curls over chinups.

    And I like the way you call me a moron then repeat the advice I gave.
     
  13. younghypnotiq

    younghypnotiq Boxing Addict Full Member

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    because they competly isolate it. i said ur a moron beacuse u always talk in absolutes. like isolation is pointless. no they are not. if they were pointless then the top bodybuilders wouldnt be doing them
     
  14. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In reference to isolation vs compound lifts I said -

    Reading comprehension is awesome.

    Like vik said - isolation is for bodybuilding and rehab only.
     
  15. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Yo muther****a if you want advice you talk to ME!