Rigondeaux is the only guy I can compare him to, yes I know Loma beat him, but you shouldn't overlook the fact that Rigondeaux beat a top 3 p4p fighter in Donaire in only his 12th fight. Right now Rigo has the edge for me just, mainly based on that win. Let's see what Loma does in his next couple of fights and provided he wins them against at least 2/3 world level fighters he will have surpassed Rigo.
Your point makes no sense. Rigo had ONE really good win, Loma has had more , plus he toyed with Rigondeaux and is already more accomplished than Rigo. Loma wins this hands down.
I'm basing my point on Rigo's win over Donaire being much better than Loma's win over Rigo and I did state basing this on how they had both performed after 12 fights. I guess it's a little unfair of me to overlook Loma's wins against Rigo, Russell and Linares over one great victory.
Broner got gift decisions against Daniel Ponce De Leon (130), Paulie Malignaggi (147) and Adrian Granados (147). You could even argue that Jessie Vargas deserved to get the nod on the scorecards when he fought Broner too. Unlike Broner, Loma doesn't need to fight at silly catchweights or be helped out by the judges: he seeks to help himself out and is at least daring to be great. Moreover, just because boxer A won world titles in more weight classes than boxer B, doesn't necessarily mean boxer A is better or has the deeper resume or legacy than boxer B. That's the same as saying Adrien Broner is better than Marvelous Marvin Hagler or Leo Gamez is better then Vasyl Lomachenko, simply because they managed to win world titles in more divisions without examining how they won those titles. Frankly, such a notion is as ridiculous as the people who choose to advocate it.
He certainly did. He joined fellow all time greats Juan Carlos Salgado, Antonio DeMarco and Sergio Thompson as being the only individuals who have defeated Jorge Linares- a gentleman who has Anthony Crolla, Luke Campbell and Kevin Mitchell as the most impressive victories on his resume
Lomachenko > Rigondeaux > Donaire Since Lomachenko beat Rigondeaux and Rigondeaux beat Donaire. So Rigo's win over Donaire can't be better than Loma's win over Rigo because Rigo proved to be superior to Donaire. And beating the superior boxer > beating the inferior boxer.
Yes, Lomachenko is definitely an ATG. He's already doing things I've seen from very few, if any past boxers. He's pretty much the best, or at least a top 3 of this era below 147 pounds so based on that, he is a great. But he can still be greater by proving himself even more with even more wins against top opponents.
I think so. The threshold for being an ATG is beating 2 HOFers and making five title defenses. Rigo's a shoe in and Linares will probably get into the hall, plus he's got about eight defenses.
agree 100%; his Olympic gold in 2012 was at 135, so perhaps that's his best weight. the guys drying out to make 140 are so much bigger than Loma Loma is probably shorter and has a much shorter reach (typical Eastern European dino arms) than most elites at 135 Loma is listed at 170 cm (5' 7") with a reach of 166 cm (65.5"). Linares is listed at 5' 8" but seemed more than one inch taller during face off he gave away an incredible eight inches of reach to Waters, and that was one weight class below 135
That has absoloutley no cadence and is completely illogical. Donaire was a legit top 5 P4P fighter in the same weight class and apart from the knockdown might have took 1 other round. Rigo on the other hand was 37 and going up two weight classes and appears to have injured himself in the second round, there is absoloutley nothing comparable about these two victories. I never said it can't be better I just don't think it is. By your logic Jesus Sotto Karas was a superior fighter to Kosta Tsyzu Karas > Vince Phillips > Kosta Tsyzu By your logic George Groves is the superior fighter to Roy Jones George Groves > Glen Johnson > Roy Jones If you think Loma's win over Rigo was better than Rigo's win over Donaire that's fine, but trust me dude and I'm saying this for your benefit, the way you justified was terrible. The very thought that either Rigo or Loma have a more established career than Donaire is laughable
He is a very good fighter but it takes years to become and all time great no matter what era. He won titles in many divisions quicker than most, but that has a lot to do with the quality of guys fighting now and his domination has a lot to do with the fighters now.. They are not as good as earlier years and I am not sure why. Other people might come up with a reason. I don't think boxing is producing the complete packages of skills we had before and the amount of top notch guys. Probably the amateur program is diminished. I am not sure why.. But the skill level is down and that is why guys like Floyd and Manny at welterweight were so much higher than the guys they fought. If Loma is around in a few years and still beating guys and looking great, then we can start to say he is an ATG or talk about where he is ranked in the ATG list. But now he is not there yet at all . Curry looked great for a few years also when he was fighting,although he didn't win multiple titles, in today's boxing world he might have. To win 3 titles or 4 titles when Curry was champion at welterweight he would have to move up to 154 and beat either Hearns or McCallum (or I think Hilton, but I forget if he was IBF champ in 1986) and then move up and fight Hagler.. That is a tough road. Look at the road Chavez had to take to win 3 titles.. and the titles fights and tough fights. Hearns-Cuevas/Benitez and Roldan,, and he beat Hill later. And Duran Buchanan/Leonard and Moore and then having to take on Hagler. I am not sure Loma could do it. Leonard fought Benitez,Duran,Hearns and Hagler to be at that level and they were all different. Ray had to modify his style and change to beat them all. The level of those guys and the press conferences and everything together would wear him out after all that. That would test him as a great fighter.
