Has Deontay Wilder changed the game?

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  1. Infern0121

    Infern0121 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    The guy does everything "wrong" by the standards of the textbooks and the greybeards.

    40-0 (39) soon to be undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.
     
  2. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    He does 1 thing right and that's all that seems to matter. But 40 fights in he has been outboxed by some average boxers and nearly stopped by the 1st decent one he faced.

    I don't think deontay has changed the game I think he is just operating in a weak division. P4P he is pretty awful. It wouldn't work in a better division
     
  3. bailey

    bailey VIP Member Full Member

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    I think whether it be by his own doing or not, other fighters have done alot of the work and have had bigger challenges etc.
    Looking at Wilders first 39 fights, there are a few HWs that I think could have beaten the same comp even if not all score KOs.
    There are several HWs that I think have a greater singular win than any Wilder holds which is surprising for a fighter with 40 fights and 8 world title fights.

    So yes I think Wilder has done things different in that as a champ several other fighters have arguably taken a bigger challenge whilst he has sat (im not saying intentionally or not) and waited. If it pays off that wont be remembered and it would be forgotten that he didnt have the challenges.
    Im not convinced that Wilder would beat a couple of other HWs yet and it could be that if he gets beaten then the waiting game probably then wouldnt be forgotten.

    I guess time will tell but I wouldnt favour Wilder against Joshua
     
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  4. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    And by avoiding top opponents for the most part.

    He's not some unorthodox phenom like Fury that's succeeding at the top level despite everything else. If he beats Joshua then that dialogue can be started.

    Personally I just think he's a hard punching, awkward slugger who's benefitted from some very favourable match making and a fragmented division allowing him to masquerade as a champion without taking on world class opposition. There've been fighters like that throughout boxing's history and they all get found out sooner or later.

    But the jury's still out.
     
  5. madballster

    madballster VIP Member Full Member

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    Wilder is losing so many rounds to very mediocre opposition it's just a question of time his luck will run out. If he was winning 29 out of every 30 rounds like AJ or Wlad it would be a different thing.

    He hasn't changed the game. He's just been lucky that his inconsistency hasn't become his downfall... yet.
     
  6. Devon Dog

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    At some point he will have to fight Joshua , a fully fit Fury if possible, Maybe even Daniel Doubis eventually and all that while doing his best to avoid Dillian Whyte who he has been offered the biggest payday for he has had so far but wont fight him

    I would like to see a Dereck Chisora fight maybe Dell would test him
     
  7. McGrain

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    He really hasn't done anything yet. His list of defences are disgusting and he took his belt from the #6 HW in the world. So he has two decent scalps.

    And people want to talk about him "changing the game"?

    Frankly though, even if he was the world-beater the OP makes him out to be - no. Nor did Rocky Marciano, nor did Jimmy Wilde, nor did Nico Locche, nor did Koichoi Wajima, nor did Max Baer, nor did any enormously successful technically obscure fighter really "change the game."
     
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  8. humbug

    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

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    “Wilder is losing so many rounds to very mediocre opposition”

    Spot on. That sentence right there is why I’m a Wilder fan.

    On paper, from a boxing analytical standpoint, he shouldn’t have got this far, yet he’s the WBC heavyweight champion.
     
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  9. CutThroatFade

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    He's changed the game in that he's proven that sheer power can overcome boxing technique and fundamentals. Wilder is a freak athlete. One of a kind. You won't ever see it again this generation. For a 6'7" guy to fight at 215lbs and carry the power and endurance that he has is unheard of. He's up there with Usain Bolt, Cristiano Ronaldo and Roger Federer as a freak, once in a generation athlete in his sport.
     
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  10. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Shouldnt we wait until he fights somebody good before we compare him to the likes of Bolt and Ronaldo?
     
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  11. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Jesus Christ GTFO.
     
  12. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hell no!

    He’s fought no one, nobody and defrauded the sport all through his career.

    The only way he’s changed the game is in how long you can extend the tomatoes can, learning phase that novice fighters go through to almost 40 fights
     
  13. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You can't get away with his style without power....

    so he hasn't changed anything.

    He's a 6'7 fast puncher bc he weighs around 220 pounds.

    His style is more like point karate fighting , that's why he loses rounds bc he's waiting to set up one big shot.

    Take away his power he runs into trouble!

    He has his merits bc he could be a handful for many guys but that's bc his attributes not his skills....

    His biggest strength is ring IQ that he needs bc of his lack of talent.
     
  14. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    He can get away with poor technique, when his resume is a level below what Felix Sturm's and Sven Otkke's was.
     
  15. bailey

    bailey VIP Member Full Member

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    Sturm and Ottke fought at a far greater level. Far greater and took far bigger fights.
    Ottke had retired after 34 fights as a unified champ who had made 21 title defences.
    It was only Ottkes 13th fight when he won a world title
    Ottke made 21 title defences and was a winner of 22 world title fights
    Look at who Ottke beat
    C Brewer the then IBF SMW champ for the title, beaten twice
    G Johnson who went on to become the Ring & IBF LHW champ
    S Branco who went on to become the WBA LHW champ
    A Mundine who went on to become the 2 time WBA SMW champ
    B Mitchell the then WBA SMW champ and 2 time WBA champ
    R Reid the former WBC SMW champ and still world class
    A Krajnc the former WBO MW champ
    M Larsen world class who went on to become European champ
    R Markussen world class who went on to become European champ
    T Tate beaten twice
    D Starie
    J Butler

    Thats a far greater resume


    Sturm who was a 2 weight champ won WBO IBF WBA MW titles and the WBA S SMW title
    I could completely break it down and show you who Sturm beat but the fact that you made the comment in the first place tells me there wouldnt be much point.
    Once again Sturm has a far greater resume also