Best Mandibles in HW boxing. Deontay.W, Mariusz.W, Joseph.P, anyone else?

Guinn, even though he was knocked down in his last fight.

 

LOL no Povetkin didn't get off the ostarine charge. Did you read the link I gave you? read the link or any other article that you will find. Povetkin was suspended for failing a doping test. On the link I gave you, it says they lifted the suspension to allow Povetkin to fight again. He was never cleared of the charge. If you believe otherwise, send me a link or article that says he got off.

Yep Stiverne failed a drug test a few years back. Stiverne left Russia because Povetkin breached the conditions of the fight and thats fair enough.

 

Actually, Stiverne was the one who first failed the drug test before the fight. And it wasn't years before the fight. It was literally right before the fight. Just days before Povetkin SUPPOSEDLY failed for a picogram of a substance residing inside his body.

The fight could've happened. The reason why it didn't, was because Stiverne literally decided to leave Russia. Povetkin and his team couldn't force Stiverne to literally fight or enter the ring with him. Stiverne and his team looked for the slightest excuse to not dace Povetkin. In other words, they didn't want to fight Povetkin in the first place and avoided / ducked that fight.

He was allowed to fight again, because he was cleared. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been allowed to fight.

Find me at least 3 other athletes who ever tested for a single picogram for any substance in their bodies. Good luck trying to name just 2 athletes, because you won't be able to. Because such a minuscule level of reading simply isn't possible via modern instruments. The testing always lies within a range. Even Canelo's drug reading was between x amount of picogram to y amount of picogram. Such as between 80 - 90 picogram or whatever those numbers maybe. They couldn't pinpoint the exact number. With that being the case, in what way could they have possibly ascertained that Povetkin had such a low level as low as 1 picogram of a substance in his body if they've never managed to test a single other athlete with such a low level of a substance? The answer is they couldn't and that it was most likely an error.

The point is, that 1 picogram made literally no difference in Povetkin being able to destroy Duhaupas. It would've made as much difference as another human eating a fly and trying to accomplish the same feat.

 

Can you show me proof of your claims please? Like an article or something. I have not heard about some of what youre saying.

 

Where is the actual proof that Povetkin tested for a picogram of any substance? I mean concrete, solid proof and not some random article.

Cite me the actual lab and cite the actual instrument used to come up with the random 1 picogram reading. And how the 1 picogram reading was found? And why no other athlete in history has been tested for a substance as low as that value?

 

1) Mariusz Wach

Needs no introduction, is slow and not ultra tight defense but has handled some huge shots from big punchers and 0 KO.

2) Joseph Parker

In the amateurs, sparring, and professionally never ended up on his behind. Only reason I have him behind Wach is Parker is technically sharper and part of what he has "handled" has been due to him rolling with punches and generally making sure that if something does land cleanly, it's a lone shot - nothing is allowing to immediately accumulate. Nonetheless, he fought Anthony Joshua who has rattled people with "decent" chins with jabs and you immediately see some tough people lose their soul when he gets a good clean shot off... usually the fight ends soon after. Parker is the only one to have met that situation and stood to the end, actually making AJ retreat from return fire when he thought he smelt blood.

3) David Allen

Can't really have a dude who has been stopped above people who have fought bigger punchers and not been dropped, but the man is not an elite boxer and has sustained some huge punishment impressively well - but old man Ortiz got the stoppage even if it wasn't lights out so he's not bullet proof.

However I think Joseph Parker is the least likely active HW to be KO'd anytime soon.

 

I only have an article. Actually theres a few articles. It was in the news papers and the TV radio news all over. Everybody knows Povetkin was suspended. Was it for no reason? Why was he suspended? Lol it was because he tested postive. He failed a doping test. Everybody knows that.

Hey if you got no proof of what youre saying then fine. What your saying is what you believe but its not the truth.

 

I think it stands to reason MVC fibbed to the forum when he claimed he went protesting, smh.

As far as chins, Wach and Parker seem to be the consensus elite, which is why HPV/MVC choose them to support Wilder and jam him in with those two guys, lol

Hahahaha, got you again.

Wilder does have a good chin imo!! Just not as good as Wach or Parker which is no crime.

 

Wilder has improved his ability to take punches the old fashioned way, by putting in the work. Does he walk through monster shots like a robot? No, but it will clearly take a perfect punch from a special puncher, who is also able to take Wilder's power, to stop him. Not sure that guy exists at the moment.

 

I found the article that supports your claim. It wasnt that hard to find
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...anned-substance-fight-alexander-povetkin-held
I also found this article that confirms what we already knew and that was the fight was called off because of Povetkin failing a doping test to which he was later suspended.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boxing-russia-povetkin-idUSKBN1460CR
I don't care about the picogram or any drug measuring unit. Lets leave that to the experts as neither you or I are pharmacologists. I never spoke about the amount of athletes that got done for picogram, I dont care about that. All I said was Povetkin got done for doping and I was correct I never debated anything about 'picogram' lol.

 

Wach and it's not even close... whoever says otherwise simply hasn't seen more than 5 of his fights. He took some colossal bombs from Wlad they were like nothing

Poor attempt at trolling by putting Deontay in there, his chin is 5/10

 

And all I argued was that a picogram had literally 0 effect in Povetkin being able to KO Duhaupas. It's you who started going off topic about other irrelevant points such as being suspended and etc. The initial topic was, why Duhaupas was KO'ed cold by Povetkin and it was because he was caught by a perfectly timed and accurate punch. That's all there's to it! It has nothing to do with being suspended or having a picogram of a substance in his body.

You need to learn what a picogram is, if you think 1 picogram of any substance is literally going to convert someone into a superhuman punching machine. It's a trillion time smaller than the human body. Which is roughly the size of an ant, compared to multiple Earth sized planets.

Why are you assuming things about me? How do you know I am not a pharmacologist?

You are aware that false positives do exist, correct? Just because Povetkin supposedly 'tested positive', doesn't mean he failed a drug test. You're still not answering this question. And it doesn't matter if you didn't mention anything about it, because it's 100% relevant! Why hasn't any other athlete in history, tested for a picogram of any substance and got banned? You know why, because such a level of reading and accuracy can't be reached. Therefore, Povetkin couldn't have failed a drug test, irrespective of what any articles may say.

Why was Povetkin suspended? Who knows! It was likely a false positive or it was likely corruption to remove Povetkin from fighting for the championship titles. Makes sense to anyone with a functioning brain. Since Bermane Stiverne was allowed to take drugs and test positive for it, and the fight between him and Povetkin was still allowed to take place. Yet, as soon as Povetkin tests for a single picogram of a substance, somehow the fight is cancelled? Lol.

Just because an article said it, doesn't necessarily make it true! You need to provide me actual proof from the testing lab and instruments used, that supposedly gave the picogram reading if you want to convince me that Povetkin actually failed a drug test. Until then, it's all unproven statements.

Keep in mind that drug testing is not, and never has been 100% accurate. If you choose to believe things at face value without questioning them (just because couple of articles say so), then that's your problem. Me personally, I question how Povetkin was found to have a single picogram of a substance, but no other athlete in history was found with the same amount of any substance in their body and failed a drug test. Until that question is answered, I refuse to believe Povetkin was guilty.

 

No you shared that information. You did not argue it because there was no argument over 'picograms'. I just wanted to read it from an article, thats all I asked for. I was nice enough to give you an article to support what I was saying so I nicely asked you if you could do the same for me but I seem to have made you upset by my request lol.

LOL you need to calm down. If you check my old posts, you will clearly see it was you that went off track. Its in our traded posts so I am absolutely correct. Im not arguing here, you are arguing with yourself. I dont care about picogram. I just stated the facts. You chose to share your thoughts on 'picograms'. I asked for an article and thats it! Thats the truth. If we bring up our traded posts, you will see Im correct

Ryabinsky (who is much closer to Povetkin then you and I) stated that it was because he tested positive for ostarine. Everybody knows that lol. Its well documented.

I like Povetkin and I was betting on him to beat Stiverne by knock out. I wanted to watch that fight but when they said the fight was cancelled, I was disappointed.

 

Yes, because I'd thought you'd already know Povetkin tested for a single picogram of a substance. Which is exactly what he did.

The original point all along was why Povetkin was able to KO Duhaupas. You mentioned points about drug tests and drugs, when it literally had no bearing / relevance on the outcome of the fight. But it was the perfect accuracy + timing that allowed Povetkin to KO Duhaupas.

The onus is on you to prove how a single picogram of any substance could provide someone with that much power randomly in such a short notice. Since that was your claim. You can provide millions of articles, but unless they specifically contain proof to that statement, those articles would be totally irrelevant which they obviously were.

And no, you haven't stated the facts, until you answer the questions I've asked with actual proof. Until then, they remain baseless statements and just your 'personal thoughts'.

 

No, underneath is my post that you replied to and where you introduced to our conversation the measuring unit 'picogram'. You said that you argued it but there was no argument so we already confirmed you were wrong on that. Notice how everything in my post is correct.
- Duhaupa did take the fight on short notice
- Povetkin did test positive for PEDs

Lets not forget that the point you made initially was about Duhaupa having a strong chin. I was just supporting your claim in that he does have a strong chin but he got knocked out by Povetkin.

Look I like Povetkin but we cant believe everything you say. Everyone listens to experts. We cant all just believe what you say, the whole forum will laugh at you.