Ray Arcel on Hagler - Hearns.

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Fascinating stuff, as always.

    "When i saw the Hagler - Hearns fight, i knew that Hagler would not fight Hearns again. He took murderous punches. When Hearns hits you, you kinda stay hit. Hagler was subjected to more punishment than Hearns, but Hearns didn't have the stamina or endurance that was needed. Once the cork comes out, there's no putting it back in. Hagler knocked out Hearns in the third round, but he got hurt. He wouldn't want to walk on the same side of the street with Hearns again."
     
  2. The Morlocks

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  3. dpw417

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    and....consequently he didn't. It was a hellish fight...but the Mugabi fight wasn't easy either.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    I've always suspected the Hearns war took quite a bit out of Hagler. Hearns too no doubt.
     
  5. Bokaj

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    "When Hearns hits you, you kinda stay hit." Wonderful way of putting it.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    I liked it too.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    We have in different ways. There's no doubt that was a punishing fight regardless. The Hearns war certainly didn't help Hagler going into that one.
     
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  8. PernellSweetPea

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    I think Hagler was more rusty for that one. I am not sure what I think about that . I think by that point he didn't want to fight anymore which was dangerous for Marvin to fight. Maybe he should have retired after Hearns. He looked sluggish against Mugabi even in the introductions he looked off and rusty. With Hearns, he was hit clean when he was in shape. I always knew Marvin didn't want Hearns again.. Arcel put it well. I think he was right. Marvin got through it also, why fight that again when he would have to fight that intensely again to stay close and avoid Hearns from getting distance. And to be honest, it was not fair of Hearns to want a rematch as though Hagler owed it to him. Hearns blew it a little by slugging it out and going tops and Hagler being in shape and motivated kept coming. I think the fight took a lot out of both. After that kind of fight no one is the same really.
     
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  9. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I respect Ray Arcel a great deal. With that said my eyes tell me Hearns took more punishment and Hearns was hurt more. I do believe that Halger had to take his mind to another place to be able to walk through those punches. He was one of the few that could convince himself that he couldn't be hurt. He has that mental toughness which is an understatement.
     
  10. PernellSweetPea

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    I think Hearns beat himself in that fight a little by putting it all out so he didn't have anything left to defend himself after that crazy round one. But he did land cleaner on Hagler and harder than Hagler did on him I think but he was the harder puncher of the two when he uncorked that right, which in someways could hurt Hagler in the long run more than Hearns. Yet those last punches by Hagler were pretty hard on Hearns. With Mugabi I am not sure what I think. I think he should have retired after Hearns and think how Marvin's legacy would have been. Maybe he needed Ray to complete his career regardless of a win or loss. It showed the styles makes fights aspect of great fighters. Hearns beats Duran, Hagler goes the distance with Duran and wins. Leonard beats Hagler. Tommy draws with Ray..
     
  11. PernellSweetPea

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    Marvin put his all into fighting and Hearns and other guys who took it to Hagler did not understand that hitting him could hurt him, but they won't knock him out. I am not sure what could knock out Hagler. When Marvin was hurt and was challenged he did seem to fight better. That sort of woke him up to that top level.. In someway maybe Ray not hurting him did not wake Marvin up enough, but the fact is Marvin was by that point rusty and unmotivated to be in the ring against top guys.. I think he did leave his last best fight with Hearns. But Ray sort of constructed that. He said he was not going to comeback, so Hagler thought his whole legacy was depended on Hearns.
     
  12. ETM

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    I will say that the right Hearns landed in the opening seconds would have knocked out a steer.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    I think the thing is Hearns hit harder than Hagler and couldn't take it like him. Tommy definitely took a lot himself and i think it is understated just how much he took before falling. Hagler shipped some big shots in that first round. Hearns took more overall but the shots Hagler took may well have had an effect on him.
     
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  14. ETM

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    They did have an effect on Hagler. Also Marvin was older with more miles on his odometer. That may have been his last great fight. Mentally maybe he couldn't duplicate that kind of intensity in a rematch.
    I just don't know what Hearns is gonna do different when be gets hit. Those right hooks, that Hagler finished him with was his A+ punch. That was his biggest weapon.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    I don't think Arcel is saying Hearns would have won or anything. I think he's saying Marvin was very happy to bypass the punishment neccessary to get the win again.
     
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