Article on Mayweather from Dan Rafael

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  1. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Mayweather will be back
    Thursday, June 12, 2008 | Print Entry

    Posted by Dan Rafael
    Floyd Mayweather Jr., who called off his Sept. 20 rematch with Oscar De La Hoya by announcing his retirement last week, told ESPN.com that he was planning a comeback. OK, not really. I was just practicing writing the story for when he does announce his return. If you think Mayweather is done boxing for good, put down the glue. He'll be back as surely as I will banish somebody from Friday's chat. A competitive, healthy athlete at the peak of his fame and earning power at age 31 does not walk away for good, especially when you are a limelight lover like Mayweather is. Maybe Mayweather will take off a year, maybe two. But he will be back. Like with Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield, both of whom made way more money than Mayweather, there will come a day when he will need the cash. He does, after all, call himself "Money." It's easy to spend wildly when there's an eight-figure check coming in every six months. They'll stop in retirement, even if Mayweather's well-documented lavish spending habits and love of sports gambling probably won't.

    We're talking about a guy who stuffs $50,000 in a paper bag to go the mall. Theories abound on why Mayweather elected to retire now. The one that I like best comes from Larry Merchant, who told me (in jest, obviously), "I have it on good authority that Mayweather retired because he broke both hands patting himself on the back." Another one might be as a way to get back at his daddy, Floyd Mayweather Sr. , with whom he has been estranged for years other than a brief reunion last year. Big Floyd was all set to train De La Hoya for the rematch and set to cash an enormous check for his role, a storyline that was really the only intriguing thing about the rematch.

    Big Floyd, of course, sat out the first fight, but was not afraid to tell anyone who would listen that his presence in the promotion for the rematch was what was going to sell it. Little Floyd, the theory goes, didn't like that and simply stuck it to his father, ripping away his big payday and taking away his chance to beat his son, something Mayweather Jr. couldn't possibly live with. Junior doesn't much care for De La Hoya either, so by pulling out, he takes away a massive payday and leaves De La Hoya in a tough spot by messing up his planned schedule of a September rematch followed by a career finale in December.

    But if Mayweather truly is retired, he won't go down as the greatest fighter in boxing history, even though that is what he insists he is. Mayweather was terrific and a top 20 all-time fighter, maybe even top 10, but not No. 1. He was undefeated, won titles in five weight divisions, dominated lots of quality opponents and was worthy of his pound-for-pound mantle. But please don't tell me he was better than Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard, among others. He never had a foil to bring out the best in him like those men did. He didn't have a Joe Frazier like Ali had or a Tommy Hearns like Leonard did. On his way up the ladder, Mayweather beat significant opponents such as Genaro Hernandez, Diego "Chico" Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo, but he also managed to miss some deserving opponents. I'm not placing blame solely on Mayweather, but the fact is he never fought Acelino "Popo" Freitas or Joel Casamayor at a time when all three held junior lightweight titles and were in their primes.

    (Freitas and Casamayor at least fought each other in a unification fight.) Mayweather never fought Kostya Tszyu, the real junior welterweight champ when he moved up, and refused to fight Shane Mosley when Mosley was lightweight champion. Mayweather avoided Mosley again at welterweight. And now, by walking away, Mayweather has left one giant challenger unvanquished: Miguel Cotto. The best fighter of all time cannot leave such obvious unfinished business. Did Ali skip any challenger? Did Robinson? If Mayweather wants to be known as the best fighter ever, the onus is on him to fight the fighters the fans and media perceive to be a threat, even if Mayweather himself doesn't think they are. Well guess what?

    We believe Cotto is a threat. A big one. And let's be honest: Since Mayweather left the lightweight division at the end of 2003, he didn't exactly face murder's row during his eight-fight run above 135 pounds. In fact, not one of his opponents was an in-his-prime, at-his-best-weight foe. • DeMarcus "Chop Chop" Corley, who went on to become a Mayweather sparring partner, was a washed-up former titleholder coming off a loss. • Henry Bruseles was a 100-1 underdog coming off a draw. • Arturo Gatti had a junior welterweight belt but zero chance of even making it competitive, much less winning. • Sharmba Mitchell was as a shell of himself, above his best weight and completely shot.

    It still irks me to this day that HBO bought that crap. • Zab Judah was a live dog and a good fighter, but he was coming off a loss. • I understood and endorsed the Carlos Baldomir fight because he was the legitimate welterweight world champion, but we all knew it would be a demolition -- a Ferrari vs. a Pinto -- and that's what it was. Then came mega money fights against De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton. I won't complain about either, but facts are facts: Neither of them were fighters residing in Mayweather's own deep division. The welterweight division boasts Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams and Mosley, yet Mayweather never fought any of them. You can't be the greatest ever if you can't even clean out your own division, especially when at least two of them (Cotto and Mosley) are on the pound-for-pound list. But don't worry, folks. There's still time. There's still time because Mayweather will be back.
     
  2. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    Good article but nothing that has not been expressed here at one point or another!
     
  4. Mundo

    Mundo ****s the wives of every Full Member

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    perfectly said....

    now lets hear the floyd nuthuggers say how he dont have to prove **** and blah blah blah
     
  5. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Dan Rafael finally says something that I agree with. :scaredas::scaredas::scaredas:

    Thanks for posting.
     
  6. Bombay

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    I agree with everything that he says expect the Hearns part because I believe Chico was Floyd's Hearns but just because he completely dominated him doesn't mean that it didn't bring the best out of him
     
  7. hahahax

    hahahax Member Full Member

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    Mosley ducked floyd... not the other way around. Toothache much?
     
  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Exactly!
    He says PBF is a top 20 ATG I disagree I have him a top 30 ATG.
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    took the words out of my mouth!!! Surprised Duran didn't get mentioned somewhere in the article, otherwise good stuff.
     
  10. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Unless you count Mayweather fighting Hatton in December instead of Mosley as a case of avoiding him, I don't see how Mayweather avoided Mosley at welter. Mosley was the one who had "dental work" (orders to follow from Oscar) to do in late 2006, and there wasn't much time from when Mayweather won the 130 lb. title to when Mosley left 135.

    It's also pretty generous to Mayweather to call him a top 20 fighter all-time.

    He's got work to do to get to that level.
     
  11. C.J.Rock

    C.J.Rock Active Member Full Member

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    I sincerely hope this time they make sure Mayweather STAYS retired by revoking his boxing licence. Boxing needs fighting champions not egotistical prima donnas
     
  12. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    a respected Journalist:verysad
     
  13. blood_lust

    blood_lust Active Member Full Member

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    The article is stupid. Dandy Dan already calls Mayweather a top 20 all-time fighter, yet goes on to admit that his last 8 fights have been against fighters who were past their prime. Additionally he goes on to mention that Mayweather never fought guys Tsyzu, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, etc....

    Contradictions galore. Even had he fought those guys, he still wouldn't be ahead of a SRL, SRR, Hagler, Ali, etc....

    He's not even ahead of guys like Trinidad, Roy Jones, Hopkins, etc...all of whom have much better resumes.

    Some writers are so ******ed. Had RJJ retired after the Ruiz fight, most people (like Dan Rafael) would of had him in the top 10 all time p4p, now many people don't even have him in the top 30 due to his losses.