Tunney in the Corbett, Fitzsimmons and Jeffries era?

Much would depend upon which version of Jeffries he fought.

Against the relatively green version that lifted the title, who stood off and boxed his opponents at range, Tunney would very likely prevail.

The version of the second Corbett fight, who seems to have developed into a more refined pressure fighter, might well break Tunney down and beat him.

 

Make up your mind you have mentioned repeatedly Tunney is a light heavyweight and hardly did much at heavyweight. Do I need to requote your words to defeat you for the nth time Mr. Double Standard? LOL.

Also, once again your not quoting things correctly. Tunney vs Loughran was

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rounds, not 4.

Why do you keep making so many errors?

No worries, I'll correct them for you as always, so the board doesn't; take what your saying as facts. I have already told you Corbett was 33 for Jeffries ( NOT 34 as you often type ) in shape and preformed well. Guys in their prime perform well, those past it do not. DUH.



1922-08-24 : [url]Tommy Loughran[/url] 163 lbs drew with [url]Gene Tunney[/url] 173 lbs by NWS in round 8 of 8

• Location: Shibe Park, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
• Referee: [url]William H. Rocap[/url]

From Tunney: Boxing's Brainiest Champ and His Upset of the Great Jack Dempsey By Jack Cavanaugh:

At the outset, it appeared that the Philadelphia wunderkind's handsome profile might be sullied in quick time, and that, indeed, he might not make it past the first round. As Loughran moved in on Tunney early in the round, snapping his patented left jab at him in staccato-like fashion, Tunney suddenly unleashed a straight right cross that caught Loughran on the left side of his jaw, sending the Philadelphia teenager toppling to the floor. Dazed and obviously hurt, Loughran barely made it up at the count of nine and, seemingly feeding of the frenzied crowd, managed to elude Tunney for the remainder of the round.

Thereafter in the eight-round bout, Tunney never landed a punch to match the one that floored Loughhran, although he did cause Loughran's knees to wobble several times with jarring blows. But the elusive Loughran avoided far more punches than Tunney landed, while scoring often with his left jab and occasional right-hand punches to the head.

Not many boxers could outbox Tunney at this stage of his career, but Loughran was one of them. Aware of that, Tunney tried to knock out Loughran, but never came close after the first round, and the fight appeared to have been even by the end. The majority of sportswriters at ringside—most of them from Philadelphia-area newspapers—gave their verdicts to Loughrsn.

"Tommy Outclasses Gene in Sensational Bout After Weathering a Storm in First Round," read the somewhat misleading sub-headline in the following day's Philadelphia Inquirer. As it was, it went into the record books as a no-decision fight. Tunney himself knew it had been close, but felt that he had won the bout, as did virtually all the New York sportswriters who were present.

Notes

• There was a crowd of about 22,000.
• The New York Times reported: "Gene Tunney of New York, weighing 173 pounds, was entitled to the verdict over Tommy Loughran of this city, 163, at the end of the eighth round in the Phillies' ball park here tonight, but his margin of superiority was not large."
• The Norwalk Hour reported: "Tunney was entitled to the verdict because his blows carried more steam. Loughran gave a beautiful exhibition of blocking, but when Tunney's blows landed they carried a sting."
• The [url]August 1987 issue[/url] of [url]The Ring[/url] stated that Tunney lost this fight and listed his record as 65-2-1.
• [url]The Boxing Register: International Boxing Hall of Fame Official Record Book[/url] listed this as a no-decision win for Tunney.

 

Tunney didn't do much at heavyweight, but he fought and beat more heavyweights than Corbett did!

You're the knob who said Loughran wasnt a very good heavyweight. He beat 3 heavyweight champs and 9 men who were top ten ranked! Preformed????

 

Corbett describing how Jeffries knocked him out in the 23rd round/25 with Corbett leading in the fight:
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[url]https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85058140/1909-11-07/ed-1/seq-10/[/url]

 

Tunney's record at heavyweight can be picked apart as easily as that of someone like Corbett. It boils down to Dempsey and guys who were second-tier, like Heeney and Spalla, or greenish, like Risko. and were erratic at best.

Loughran has been mentioned, but how impressive is it to fight a close fight with a green fighter still short of his 20th birthday, while having a ten pound weight pull?

Loughran's wins over top heavyweights were years in the future. At 163, he was close to a middle when Tunney fought him, and a light punching middle at that. This is less impressive for me than Maxim outpointing Patterson when Floyd was 19, but who gets excited about Maxim?

Also, it is hard to see the point in bringing up Jeff's huge weight pull against Choynski, when Jeff would have had at least equal weight pulls against Greb and Loughran among Tunney's top opponents. This is just criticizing Jeff for being big, but in heavyweight boxing that is just a fact of life. The bottom line is as a decently experienced fighter, Tunney lost to a man no more than the same size as the smallest men Jeff fought.

 

I question judging Tunney more durable than Corbett. Really, other than Dempsey, and a past it Carpentier, Tunney was not ever in there with many guys who could punch. An aging Dempsey seemed to run out of gas in both their ten round fights. Stamina and conditioning freaks Jeffries and Fitz not only could punch, but they carried their punches well into the later rounds. Had his fight with Fitz, and the first Jeff fight, been scheduled for ten, Corbett would have won both by decision off what I have read. Going 25 is a sterner test for a jab and mover.

What stands out about Tunney is how carefully he was managed, or he managed himself. Somehow he missed Berlanbach and Delaney who could punch among the light-heavies, as well as Siki and Norfolk, and of course Wills and Godfrey among the heavies.

So his rep for a top jaw rests pretty much alone on the Dempsey fights.

Corbett was in there with a lot more punchers. Sullivan, Jackson, Fitz, Sharkey, Jeffries. He also fought to an older age, and went a lot of rounds with all of them except Sharkey.

So I am not convinced that Corbett didn't have a chin at least equal to Tunney's.

 

My feeling is that Tunney might have a real tough time with all of these men in the marathon fights of their era.

He would look good early against Fitz and Jeff but once you move well into those double figure rounds, it would become iffy.

As for Corbett, off the very limited film we have, he seems to have been slightly taller and rangier than Tunney, and, although almost impossible to judge, he might have been even faster dancing around the ring. Speed and stamina probably would decide a fight between them. Hard to see giving Tunney an edge in stamina. Speed is guesswork.

 

Corbett beat Sullivan, Choynski, McCoy, and Kilrain. There was no light heavyweight division back then, so all of the above were heavyweights.

Did you learn that Tunney vs Loughran was 8 round yet? : )

Mocking you for fun is one thing, never learning is another.

You're right, Tunney did not do much at heavyweight. He could have but retired too soon, so dropping him in a talented time of longer fights doesn't mean he's going to clean up.

Loughran lost often at heavyweight. He could box and move some and had enough to outbox the slower types, but he's far from a stand out at heavyweight. If you need help with the names he lost to at heavyweight just ask. You'll likely lose count once I pass five, just ask.

 

The trouble is, with so little footage you have to argue off of resume, which is inherantly pretty circular when you are comparing different eras.

Might be interesting to read accounts of Jeffries against Griffin since he was rangy with a good jab.

 

Why do you keep saying Tunney beat loughran comfortably? I have reports which contradict this statement

 

Good points except Jeff was green vs. Choysnki. Choysnki was in his prime and the known fighter. So it Loughran was green vs Tunney, Jeff was neon Green vs Choysnki in terms of total fights recorded going into the match.

Jeffries says he floored Choynski three times. The ring size could have been one of those huge 25 x 25 types, not sure.

 

He's a bozo who thought it was a 4 round match. That's why.