Did RJJ duck Michalczewski?

If anyone thinks that I'm being biased, it's on them to try and prove it.

 

Rumsfeld,

Thank you for the kind words.

Not at all mate.

Roy's made lots of mistakes, and only recently I spoke of how disappointing the Nunn situation was. He really disrespected him and messed him around.

Opinions are opinions and facts are facts.

My opinions are always logical and my facts can always be backed up by book excerpts, interviews and videos etc.

My stance on this is that I don't blame either guy for the fight not having happened. If you look objectively from both sides, you can see why it didn't happen. The only issue I've ever had with Dariusz, is that he had letters published in magazines and he repeatedly told the press that he was willing to fight Roy in the U.S. which obviously wasn't true. That's my only gripe with him. Other than that, why would he have wanted to have fought Roy? You can analyse his career. He was more than content to repeatedly defend his WBO belt for good money in Germany.

I truly believe that Roy would have fought him in the U.S. and I truly don't believe that he deserves any criticism for not having gone to Germany to fight a guy who pathetically feigned injury to get one of his opponents disqualified.

You say that they set a precedent, but again, Roy took on other big challenges. He also sought other big challenges that didn't materialise. This is why they shouldn't be grouped together. Because one was ambitious and the other one wasn't. And if you've read my posts from over the years, you know that I've proven time and again that it's a myth that Roy ducked all potential threats as he was sat happy on his fat HBO contract. It's been debunked numerous times,

I'll gladly debate this topic with you or anybody else, and ill do it in a respectful manner, with objectivity and with actual evidence if required.

 

Twitter did not exist back then. So RJj only duck that unknown on estsided forums

 

They ducked each other

Both were homers who refused throughout their careers to travel.

 

How can nothing else matter?

How am I playing games with irrelevance of information?

Again, yes, Roy was unwilling to go to Germany to put 3 belts on the line.

Take a look at what he'd have been facing:

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Being unwilling to go to Germany and being unwilling to fight Dariusz at all, are 2 very different things.

At the time of negotiations Roy had all of the main belts around his waist, and Dariusz being stripped of them had nothing to do with Roy. He wasn't going to risk them in Germany because people thought it was morally the right thing to do.

Roy classed himself as the champ at the time and the best fighter in the world.

Again, you also need to address the situation of how Dariusz lost those belts.

 

What I remember, is Dariusz wouldn't travel to the US to fight Roy. Roy was the man, he was the big draw, the true champ, yet Dariusz wanted Roy to come fight him in his country. As if, but he wouldn't fight him outside Germany.

 

Okay.

1. I'm English.

2. You clearly had this ill feeling building inside of you which you needed to get out.

3. You obviously weren't interested in discussing the actual topic, as you've not addressed any of my points.

If/when you want to discuss the actual topic, hit me up and I'll gladly debate with you.

 

Dariusz lost to Gonzalez before Roy even fought Tarver.

(Tarver was better than Dariusz by 2003, if that matters.)

 

No, Roy wasn't afraid of anyone. Ducked no one.

 

It's true the two men never met, but when we subject them to a fair comparison using the CHJ assumed resume database, clearly Roy destroys the Slavic pretender in a fairly devastating fashion.

 

Yes, both Roy and Dariusz had faded by that point. And it's a shame that they never fought each other. But I was honestly more upset about the rematch with Hopkins not happening.

 

Don't think you can call it one man ducking the other. But nor do I think there was serious interest on either side in making this fight. From Jones' perspective, he was a p4p superstar and could make fortunes in the U.S. from DM's, he was the rightful/linear champ and could make fortunes defending in Germany where he was a superstar. I'm not convinced that either side was desperate for this fight to happen beyond the usual posturing.

 

I think he did, but I'm not fully knowledgeable on the subject of why they didn't fight.

However, what is very clear is if they had fought Michalczewski would have almost certainly knocked him out.
Jones Jr had a glass chin that hadn't been exposed, no way would that chin go 12 with Dariusz.

 

Yes.