Canelo and his legal, illegal handwraps.

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  1. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I remember these same idiots was calling Pacquiao's wrap, loaded wraps back then.One of their own (CLENELO) gets called out on it. Nothing wrong with it he didn't do anything wrong. Mofo hypocrites, I tell ya!!
     
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  2. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wow is this how you go about life in general, never heard of criticism or just can’t take it?
    Seriously Isal you ought to start reading through your posts and show them a shrink,thinking that there’s only you and Billy no mates who “deals in facts”and that everyone else is wrong is what we call delusional.
    MVC has some humour and most get that but as a wake up call you should really look into why 99% of a forum of people who’ve never met you all think you’re either a troll or just plain deluded(and that’s me trying to put is as nice as I can).

    If you can’t deal with emotions then don’t bother asking my opinion.
     
  3. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Section 211.8. Bandages All boxers shall wear bandages on their hands during all contests and exhibitions, in accordance with the following: (a) Bandages on the hand of a boxer may not exceed one winding of surgeon’s adhesive tape, not over 2 inches wide, placed directly on the hand to protect the part of the hand near the wrist. The tape may cross the back of the hand twice, but may not extend within three-fourths of an inch of the knuckles when the hand is clenched to make a fist. (b) Each boxer shall use soft surgical bandage not over 2 inches wide, held in place by not more than 10 feet of surgeon’s adhesive tape for each hand. Up to one 20-yard roll of bandage may be used to complete the wrappings for each hand. Strips of tape may be used between the fingers to hold down the bandages. (c) All bandages must be applied in the dressing room before any contest or exhibition in which the boxers participate in the presence of a representative of the Commission and, upon request, an authorized representative of the boxer’s opponent. Either boxer may waive his or her privilege of witnessing the bandaging of his or her opponent’s hands by failing to timely request such privilege or by failing to attend at the time of bandaging. A Commission representative shall sign the bandages to indicate approval. Gloves shall not be placed on the hands of a participant until approval of the bandages by the Commission.

    That's for NY in particular but these are standard rules for the sport anyway. This isn't something that has deviation. This is exactly what Nevada has as follows:

    467.432 1. Bandages on the hand of an unarmed combatant may not exceed one winding of surgeon’s adhesive tape, not over 2 inches wide, placed directly on the hand to protect the part of the hand near the wrist. The tape may cross the back of the hand twice, but may not extend within three-fourths of an inch of the knuckles when the hand is clenched to make a fist. 2. Each unarmed combatant shall use soft surgical bandage not over 2 inches wide, held in place by not more than [10] 12 feet of surgeon’s adhesive tape for each hand. Up to one 20-yard roll of bandage may be used to complete the wrappings for each hand. [Strips] Flat strips of tape may be used between the fingers to hold down the bandages. 3. Bandages must be adjusted in the dressing room in the presence of a representative of the Commission and both unarmed combatants. Either unarmed combatant may waive his or her privilege of witnessing the bandaging of his or her opponent’s hands.

    The issue here is that what Canelo has done has been attempted before, even in Nevada (recently at that) and the state athletic commission prohibited this (as they should have). It doesn't even make sense to allow something like this lmao.
     
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  4. BCS8

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    So you won't have a problem if Sanchez stacks GGG's wraps?
     
  5. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo most likely had illegal handwraps in two fights:
    1) When he knocked out unknockoutable iron-chinned warrior James Kirkland
    2) When he knocked out unknockoutable iron-chinned warrior Amir Khan

    Other than that, he doesn't look like devastating puncher in either of his fights
     
  6. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks, Flamazide!

    Where did you find this?
     
  7. ATG22

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    I don’t know the ins and outs of the rules but I’m sure Abel does. If he thinks they are illegal, I believe it.

    If it’s a NSAC thing, he should file an appeal or grievance or whatever prior to the rematch and get a ruling on whether that was proper or not.

    If Nevada states they are proper, Abel should wrap exactly the same. GBP pulled off every trick in the book last time, but Team GGG should know what’s up their sleeve this time.

    With the IBF no longer at stake, Golovkin can come into the ring at whatever weight he wants... with them power wraps.

    I don’t root for relapses for addicts, but I expect to see new embarassing photos of Oscar surface by Sept 17.
     
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  8. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Oh you can look up the rules for every state athletic commission just by going on their website and looking under their rules and regulations page. For things like this the rules are pretty universal.

    Also, handwraps aren't even used for protecting your hand the way shadow implied they were. It isn't to provide further cushion for your hands actually. They are meant to keep your hand tight basically. It helps the force of your punch get distributed evenly and it fastens your joints so you're less likely to break anything. That's also why that explanation was always bull****.
     
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  9. Dirsspaardis

    Dirsspaardis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This. They’re not cushioning anything lol, they’re distributing force evenly as well as holding your fist in line, protecting the wrist.
    So the only benefit from “stacking” is getting the Margarito effect on your punches.
     
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  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The way Robert Garcia implied. Why are you trying to so hard to prove me wrong ? What you just said :

    "It helps the force of your punch get distributed evenly and it fastens your joints so you're less likely to break anything"

    is protecting your hand, making you less likely to break anything. Yes wraps keeps you hand tight, and it also provides an extra layer of protection. Especially when you wrap gauze, tape then more gauze. More gauze gives you more hand protection so you are less likely to injure your hand.
     
  11. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    No, it isn't the same as what you said. Because once you stack it isn't doing that anymore. You're actually adding to the chance of your hands being damaged by doing this. Also, again, if a boxer is concerned with hand injuries they use a different type of glove. They don't stack their handwraps. Not just because it is illegal but because it doesn't help with that problem at all.
     
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  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First of all, stacking is not illegal, so you saying that hurts your credibility. You posted rules regarding hand wraps and nowhere in your post did it say anything about stacking or that using gauze then tape then more gauze is illegal. Why you continue to argue that stacking is illegal when it's clearly not is baffling. My guess is you just don't like to admit that you're wrong, and you're trying to act like you're an expert, which also speaks to why you continue to argue over what style of wraps reduces hand injuries. I'm happy to continue having that discussion though.

    Robert Garcia, a former fighter, and an experienced trainer who wraps fighters hands on pretty much a daily basis, completely and utterly disagrees with what you're saying.

    Using a different type of glove is one way to reduce hand injuries. How you wrap a fighter's hands is another. The purpose of hand wraps is to provide an even distribution around the hand so when you punch, the hand wrap absorbs the impact and distributes the impact evenly. That's protection. I never used the word "cushion" nor did Robert Garcia. That's what you said.

    Another thing that stacking does is that it better fastens your hand wrap into the glove. If you don't have enough gauze on your hand wrap, your hand will fit further into the glove and your hands will feel too loose in the glove. The additional gauze from stacking makes your hand fit more "snug" in the glove because with more gauze there is less space in the glove for the hand to move around during the fight. If there is not a snug fit between the wrap and the glove, you have to push your hand further into the glove and closer to the end of the glove which can cause hand injuries. The more gauze you have, made possible by the stacking method, the more protection your hand has inside the glove, and the more comfortable the fighter is throwing punches has. Not because he's gaining an unfair advantage, but because the hand is more firmly in place inside the glove held in place by the additional gauze.
     
  13. BCS8

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    Sanchez should 100% do the same thing. I'm sure Canelo won't have a problem with Golovkin having heavier firepower.
     
  14. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Flamazide has thrown up some real rules and regulations from official documents. Shadows argument is that it doesnt exactly say you cant do what Canelo is doing. Can Shadow find the exact rule that states you can not use a machine gun in the fight?
     
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  15. Dirsspaardis

    Dirsspaardis Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I get this a lot at work. In most of the disciplinary cases people say they were not told they cant do this and that and I’m sitting there like “yeah, no one bothered to mention that, along with things like murdering your co-workers or ****ing Lisa from finance on her desk being frowned upon too.”
     
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