Best Feinters

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I have to mention Willie Pep and Jersey Joe as well.
     
  2. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jimmy Young when he was on that run of his in that 75-77 timeframe was a premier one. You sure didn't ever see many guys feint Ali.

    A couple other names not mentioned are early John Mugabi & Arguello. Alexis would feint a guy for 8 rounds or more before unloading & was a pleasure to watch set his traps.
     
  3. Manassa

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    Pep used to feint with his feet.
     
  4. TBooze

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    Buddy McGirt made Sweet Peas' life hell by his mastery of the feint in their two fights, despite having a bum shoulder to boot.
     
  5. Sweet Pea

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    Pea dominated the rematch, I'm sure you're only thinking of the first fight.

    My choices would be Pep and Duran.
     
  6. Napoleon

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    What exactly is a feint?
     
  7. TBooze

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    Whitaker certainly did not dominate the rematch, he deserved to win it, but there is a difference.;)
     
  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The first 3 or 4 rounds were competitive, and Buddy arguably knocked Whitaker down twice, but besides the knockdowns, he lost just about every round of the rematch and was actually close to going in the 10th round. I'd call it a domination, especially given that Pea was never hurt by the knockdown(s) and they were more balance issues.
     
  9. Manassa

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    A fake punch or movement, one that is implied but never reaches full flight. It's designed to fool an opponent into reacting to something that isn't really there, and because no defence is ever airtight, it leaves them open for the real punch the antagonist has in mind.
     
  10. Lobotomy

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    Put simply, a feint is a fake. In boxing, feinting a punch is used to determine what an opponent's defensive reaction will be. Feinting a right cross convincingly enough might cause that opponent to lean or duck to his right, directly into the path of an intended left hook. A quality feint can also induce a counterpuncher into committing himself first.

    Playing possum to draw an unsuspecting attacker into a trap waiting to be sprung is also a feint. Pretending to be unharmed when stunned in actuality is also a form of feinting. Ali was a master of that latter strategy. Foreman nailed him with a lethal right in Kinshasa which seriously stunned him. Muhammad taunted him with, "Is that the best you've got?" George fell for it, convinced that bomb had done no damage, and was mentally defeated then and there.

    Ali also did this in round two with Shavers, grabbing around Earnie's head and making faces at the crowd just after getting nailed with what Muhammad later admitted was the hardest punch he was ever hit by.

    After Lew Tendler buckled Benny Leonard's knees with a whistling left cross (action which can be viewed on youtube), Benny clinched and told him, "You're getting fresh with me kid. I'm going to have to nail you in the next round!"

    Hispanic fighters often smile to disguise being hurt.

    A convincing display of distress can win a war of attrition by getting the other competitor to expend all his energy trying in vain to finish off a win, leaving him too exhausted to resist a counter attack.

    Feigning punches and feigning distress are something of lost arts today. Pretending to be hurt when not is risky in an era of incompetent and ignorant referees and officials who don't know the difference. This is one argument in favor of former boxers who do recognise the difference being referees. Feigning distress in amateur competition can lead to standing eight counts, or even stoppages.

    Dwight Muhammad Qawi had one of the best counter jabs I've ever seen. The instant his opponent jabbed, he automatically counter jabbed. It seemed as natural to him as breathing. He was ripe pickings for anybody skilled at feinting the jab, but it was such a lost art by the time he achieved prominence that nobody exploited this susceptibility. I believed at the time that if Mike Rossman feinted Qawi with what was then considered the best jab in the light heavyweight division, he might have saved his career. Later, Matthew Saad Muhammad might have retained his championship against Qawi if he had likewise feinted with his jab, getting Qawi to commit his jab first. Then, he could have slipped it and countered.

    The strategy Futch described for Norton to use against Ali involved jabbing every time Muhammad jabbed. So the best way for Ali to counteract that would have been to fake his own jab, getting Norton to commit his jab first. Once Kenny hung it out there, Muhammad could have slipped and countered.

    For Joe Louis in the first match with Schmeling, feinting his jab would have coaxed Max into cutting loose with his intended counter right. Once Schmeling did so, Joe could have unleashed his own deadly right. Unfortunately, Jack Blackburn had ingrained the principle of starting every combination with a jab so deeply into Louis that he was unable to break this pattern for averting his first loss.

    Duran was great at feinting punches, pretending to be fine when hurt, and also had a real "killer instinct." He knew when an opponent was only pretending to be hurt, and when he was genuinely ready to be taken. Roberto didn't give a damn if a referee ruled a knockdown as a slip, or a slip as a knockdown. If he had been in Bobby Czyz's shoes against Virgil Hill, he would have taken Hill out. Czyz floored Hill in their title fight, but failed to go for the kill because the referee erroneously ruled that knockdown as a slip. Virgil good humoredly admitted in the post fight interview that he was indeed in serious trouble. Late in his career, Duran dropped a hapless victim and raised his hands in triumph as the kid went down. The referee also ruled that as a slip, but Roberto knew better, and the announcers basically said, "DURAN thinks he's hurt, so we're going along with him!" Sure enough, El Cholo immediately demonstrated the fine art of finishing off an opponent. Duran was a genuine throwback to the golden ages of boxing antiquity.

    Unlike Duran, and more like Czyz, Carl Williams was also lacking a "killer instinct." Wrongly thinking he had Mike Weaver in danger of being knocked out, "The Lie" got knocked out himself.
     
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    That was beautiful.
     
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    You really are stoned.
     
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    You need to get yourself over to Amsterdam, I'll be going there in a couple of months for some coffee :smoke