Luis Ortiz vs Independently Ranked Heavies

I just looked it up, he got 500k. So yes I have made more than that (not by a huge amount but im young)

Anyone on an average salary will at least triple that in their lifetime

Stop being silly

 

If I include Thompson and Scott then I would have to add Dave Allen, Kevin Johnson, 5 more Povetkin opponents, Martz, Kabayel, Sexton and so on

No matter how much you hate it, my point and OP's point stands:

Ortiz is over rated. Don't be offended by the truth.

 

Malik Scott and Tony Thompson would both beat shot old Lucas Browne on one leg. It's a joke to add Lucas Browne to the list but Scott and Thompson not. It only shows that you DKSAB.

 

Average yes, but i doubt you are average, you look more like the UNDER averagish guy.

 

Scott with his movement would of likely beaten the shot Browne we saw vs Whyte.

Thompson thought was completely shot by the time he fought Ortiz, he was 44 years old by then, almost as old as Ortiz lol, only kidding...not kidding...kidding...or am I?

Did you see Thompson vs Solis he looked so slow in that fight he made Marius Wach look like prime Ali!

That Thompson would of been a pick em fight with that Browne. Maybe Browne wins as he at least had a punchers chance.

 

I agree Thompson was shot and simply too old but still 2-3 years before he faced Ortiz he went the distance with Pulev and Takam, beat Solis and KTFO Pricey twice. I really think Browne vs Whyte was one of the most pathetic performances i have ever seen on that level, i only can say Stiverne 2 vs Wilder was more pathetic. Browne looked like an old, amateurish and ****ing slow slugger from the nearest pub in your town.

 

Ok bud, we all know you are Ortiz's number 1 fan, so its natural you would be offended with truth. I included Browne as he was a belt holder once - something Ortiz never achieved and never will.

Again, his resume is poor and in turn he is vastly over rated. Whyte would beat him. As would Parker.

 

Going the distance with Pulev and Takam isn't exactly a great achievement neither hit hard and Thompson has always been a cagey southpaw.

Beating Solis isn't anything to shout about, Solis as a pro was a disaster, massively overweight and who's best win was Monte Barrett a career journeymen. Great amateur but his pro career was a train wreck.

The Price wins were 3 years earlier, that's a long time for a fighter in their 40's. He was far better then than the version that fought Ortiz or even Solis.

Agree about Browne, he looked as shot as Thompson, slow, timing way off, easy to hit. Browne at that point would off lost to anyone half decent, don't rate that win for Whyte at all.

 

Even if Jennings was better than anyone Povetkin defeated (which, in reality, is obviously not true), Ortiz' list of opponents still doesn't come close to Povetkin's. Beating arguably only

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top 20 opponents in 30 fights is laughable for this particular argument. Comparing that to Povetkin's resume is silly. Even by your own admission, Povetkin is 3-1 (as you say) against top 10 opponents, while Ortiz is 1-1.

Now, back in reality, not only does Chagaev possess better resume than Jennings, but better than Ortiz as well. Chagaev has beaten better rated opposition throughout his career, has won a world heavyweight title and had an elite level amateur career (unlike Ortiz, who never even made it to the international stage).

If Szpilka and Fedosov are the only thing that comes up while debating resumes, one knows that the resume in question is not good by any measurement. Perez, on the other hand, fought Jennings to a disputed SD, losing only by a single point deduction in what was otherwise a 6-6 fight on the 2 out of 3 scorecards. Logical conclusion is that Jennings and Perez are on the same level.

Now, this is a sign to stop taking you seriously, I'm sorry. Are you really bringing up David Price? Nobody ever brought up Price as anything serious on Povetkin's resume.

In fact, Thompson had 3 losses in last 5 fights going into the Ortiz fight. One of those losses was against Takam, who Povetkin then knocked out in the next fight.

I still can't believe that you brought up David Price to put down Povetkin's resume and boost Ortiz'.

The bottom line is, there is no universe where wins over Jennings, Scott, Thompson, Ratz and Cojanu beat Povetkin's resume. There is no universe where that happens, my friend.

 

At least I'm not the only one who believes Ortiz is overrated when you look at what he has actually done.

His resume is thin, very thin, I don't believe you can put him in a top 3 and none of the governing bodies have him top 3 now, even ring magazine don't have him the top 3.

I spoke to f1ght3rz yesterday and apparently resume doesn't matter and you judge Ortiz top 3 on.. power, skills and greatness. I repeat, power, skills and greatness.

Personally, I don't have power, very basic and limited skills but I'm genuinely great..

So I got to be top 25 yeah? I'll take it.

 

Jenning beat Perez and went the distance with Wlad. Perez was an alcoholic when he lost to Povetkin. You think that guy wouldn't get smoked by Wlad? GTFOH

 

Well, Wilder has beaten two top five opponents within a few years. Povetkin has also beaten two, but that was in 2011 and 2008.

 

Ortiz wasted his best years, for whatever reason. IMO he should have fought Ustinov, but I don't know the ins and outs. Haye wasted many of his best years. Pulev could have been more.

All these fighters score/have scored lots of hypothetical points via posts on this forum saying 'he could beat/he could have beaten' ... but as time passes all this fades and a fighter's reputation increasingly just comes down to actual achievements in the ring (that happened in real life).

Povetkin, Joshua, Usyk notched up 'name' wins from early in their pro careers. Ortiz hasn't really, he's currently trading on a win against Jennings years back. Ironically, Wilder only really has Ortiz, and outside of that ... he's not much better.

 

Can anyone remind me what belt Ortiz ever owned? Apart from the one keeping his pants up.

 

His resume isn't great, at all. Not many people in the division have good resumes though. Plus, rating someone runs deeper than resume. You consider their style, you consider how they looked in their fights - including their losses.

He very, very nearly had Wilder out of there. Sure, it's an #L on paper but you need to look at it deeper than that. Parker and Takam's recent exploits have weakened AJ's resume considerably, be they ranked top 10 or not. A spin can be put on any resume if you work hard enough, though that isn't to say the OP is incorrect in his assessment in any way.

For me, I rate Ortiz because I just think he's a good boxer and there aren't many of those at HW. He's obviously at the decline of his career, but he's still good. And the fact remains outside of Wilder no one was exactly screaming to get in there with him - they still aren't. I suppose the question to ask if who in the 'top 10' would you back to beat him?