Alexis Arguello vs Shane Mosley @135

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  1. Jay1990

    Jay1990 Active Member Full Member

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  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I think that Shane would probably overwhelm him. Too big and fast at that weight.
     
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  3. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Arguello overtakes him after the 4th or so
     
  4. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Arguello goes to his body breaks him down physically and psychologically and 1 pinches him out in 8.
     
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  5. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For a fighter as fast as Moseley was at lightweight he got hit far too often by less than stellar competition. Mosely would have his moments against Arguello but eventually, Arguello would break him down. Once Mosely began to realize what was working, isn't working anymore he would go into his shell( as usual) look lost, and eventually got stopped late in the fight, or lose a dec in a 12rd fight.
     
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  6. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Shane too fast at 135 but a war for sure. If he fights dumb he's in trouble but Shane was super tough ..
     
  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    AA would be too accurate and hurtful with his shots...a merciful referee would stop it in a late round.
     
  8. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sugar was like Oscar De La Hoya and a weight bully at LW. Prime Sugar only lost at WW to a behemoth WW in Vernon Forrest. Unless Mosely fights carelessly like Taylor did against Chavez then Sugar speed means the diff . Sugar pts.
     
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  9. J Jones

    J Jones Well-Known Member Full Member

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    135 lb Shane Mosley was too big, fast, strong for Arguello. Someone said that Alexis would leave Mosley confused and in a defensive shell. I counter that Mosley would leave Arguello dejected, taking a 10 count along the bottom rope, like Pryor did to him the second time around.
     
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  10. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mosley would have his way until he traded one to many times with AA and walks into a righthand.
    Shane never fought someone with the power like AA at lightweight.
     
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  11. red cobra

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    Arguello would have put Shanes lights out.
     
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  12. FrankinDallas

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    Mosely was, IMO an incredible talent at LW. Moved up and defeated an ATG in DLH.
    Alexis certainly had great wins at LW but was best at Super Feather.

    I see Shane knocking Alexis out later in the fight. Too big, too fast, too strong for El Flaco Explosivo.
     
  13. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Overview of Mosley at lightweight (somebody's opinion)
    https://www.badlefthook.com/2012/6/...most-overrated-fighter-generation-boxing-news

    "Let everything I have told you sink in. Also know that he started his career with 38 straight victories, 34 of them ending before the final bell. Also know that in 2001 The Ring Magazine listed Mosley as the 13th greatest lightweight of all-time. One spot ahead of Henry Armstrong, seven spots ahead of some guy named Oscar de la Hoya.

    Want one more thing to know? He may be the most overrated boxer of his generation.

    Having the nickname "Sugar" can bring great expectations. Two fighters with that moniker, Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard, are among the absolute greatest fighters (heck, athletes) of all-time. The nickname began when a newspaper writer turned to Robinson's manager and told him that he had a sweet fighter. Robinson's manager replied, "Yes, sweet as sugar." So dazzling was a young Mosley that they saw fit to bring back the most glamorous nickname in all of boxing.

    Mosley absolutely decimated some fighters on his way up in California. He ran his record to 23-0 with 21 knockouts when he got his first major title shot against Philip Holiday for the IBF lightweight title. Holiday was also undefeated, but not nearly in the same talent class as his 25 year-old opponent. Mosley won a clear decision, but failed to impress. Afterwards, he would complain of having stomach cramps.

    Mosley's lightweight title reign is a bit of an enigma. In the ring, at 135 pounds, he appeared unbeatable. He had a rare blend of speed and power that, frankly, I'm not sure if anyone else at that division has ever had. Not Roberto Duran. Not Floyd Mayweather. Not Benny Leonard, Ike Williams, or Alexis Arguello. Shane Mosley may well be the single most talented fighter in the whole history of the lightweight division. And therein lays the disappointment. To quote Spiderman (and countless other movies and TV shows): "With great power, comes great responsibility."

    First, the good news. He made eight successful title defenses, and all eight of them ended inside the scheduled distance. In fact, he barely lost a round along the way. He also defeated two former beltholders in Jesse James Leija and John-John Molina.

    The bad news? Well Leija and Molina, while good, competent fighters, are not exactly representatives of the elite. In fact, De la Hoya had already beaten each of them a few years earlier. For the record, Oscar dusted Leija in two, three years before Mosley stopped him in nine (For irony's sake I must note that Leija felt Oscar was the better fighter, and the much harder puncher. When asked, he decisively predicted Oscar would defeat Shane.). The rest of his title challengers are a bunch of guys one would only know if he following boxing very closely in the late ‘90's. Demetrio Ceballos, Manuel Gomez, Wilfredo Ruiz, Eduardo Morales, Golden Johnson, and John Brown make up a very average group of title challenger to one of the best fighters in the world.

    Admittedly, the lightweight division was not completely stacked at this time. However, there were at least a few people that could have provided "Sugar" Shane with a challenge. The most notable of these was WBC titlist Stevie Johnston. He and Mosley had matched up three times in the amateurs, their final match resulting in a tight win for Johnston. For whatever reason, they never met again in any capacity. Johnston, a southpaw with excellent skills that loved to trade, would have been a wonderful fight for Mosley at this stage.

    A few more people Mosley could have potentially matched up with are Cesar Bazan, Angel Manfredy, and, yes, Floyd Mayweather Jr. Bazan won the WBC belt from Johnston then lost it back to him. He was a solid, exciting fighter that Mosley likely would have blown out in all honestly, but we will never know. Manfredy is probably most famous for being on the bad end of a quick stoppage when he faced a prime Mayweather at junior lightweight. He also owned wins over Arturo Gatti and Ivan Robinson, with a loss to Johnston on points. He would have likely been handled pretty easily by Shane, but again, we will never know.

    The potential lightweight matchup with Mayweather was a somewhat hot debate two years ago when they finally did meet, albeit ten years and twelve pounds later. Did Mosley really want the fight? Did Mayweather really want the fight? Who knows. In terms of in-ring talent this fight boggles the mind. It would have been difficult to see their punches with the naked eye. However, in terms of finances, the matchup probably didn't make a ton of sense. Neither man was well-known at the time, and by the end of 1999 Mosley was already up at welterweight. Although we all would love to have seen it, I can't really blame Mosley (or Mayweather) for this not happening."
     
  14. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's how I see it unfolding, Shane would be stylin and profilin , looking good and then he catches one in the mouth that changes the whole fight. He might go the distance but he'll want nothing to do with Alexis's power and settle for going the distance
     
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  15. Jel

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    Arguello wins. Shane would have to get in range to land consistently but Arguello's jab and the threat of his power would keep Mosley at distance and if he tried to get inside, that would play into Alexis's hands who would counter with his left hook and straight right.
     
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