Sergey Alexandrovich Kovalev vs. Eléyder Álvarez Baytar & Dmitry Bivol vs. Isaac Chilemba RBR.

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  1. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah...No. :lol:

    This isn't about politics. While my political views fall to the left of center in most cases, I am perfectly capable of discussing political matters with those who prove capable of civil discourse, and as long as their positions aren't too odious, I can usually understand their viewpoint even if I don't agree with it. You and I have discussed social matters enough to know that's the case, so at present you're simply talking out your ass. As usual.

    No, the reason why I've lost respect for you as a poster is the way you throw tantrums at the drop of a hat about matters that don't relate to politics-like, boxing, for example. There are plenty of posters who I know have political views that are right of center that I will happily interact with and often agree with about the sport. There are some lefties on this site who often hold opinions about boxing that I don't often agree with about the sport. But, by and large, both groups of people aren't inclined to whine, moan, and complain every time they get a pick wrong. And, I really don't have much use for those that do-regardless of their political views. This is why, at present, I just don't have much use for you.

    The truth is, you react a whole hell of lot worse to those who hold differing opinions about the sport than I do about those who disagree with me about politics. And, I honestly think you enjoy reacting that way far more than you enjoy civil conversation about the sport with those posters who try to be reasonable. I think you consider the latter to be boring. That's your call-but eventually, acting in an obnoxious and confrontational manner is going to rub even the most reasonable sort the wrong way, and compel them to not want to have anything to do with you.

    You can go ahead and insult my intelligence all you want, but by making this claim, know that you're insulting the intelligence and integrity of any and every reasonable poster on this site-regardless of their political and social outlook...

    And, that's not cool. At all.

    Fact is this, your political views don't bother me, whether they fall to the left or the right. The way you present yourself as a poster does. And, I would be feel that way if you were a hardcore leftist SJW snowflake instead of a dyed in the wool Trump supporter.

    Now, I realize that none of this is probably going to register with you, Chris. You're going to believe what you wish, and I get the impression it's a whole lot more convenient for you to believe that I dislike you because of politics, rather than to admit that I might have grown alienated by the fact you lash out constantly at others.

    But, there are some who might read this and believe what you say, and for those who do, I can at least convey to them that I'm cool with discussing the sport, and politics and any other matter with them, especially if (and when) it's done it a civil manner.

    Either way, I'm done with this, and with you. Go ahead and lash out at me some more, if you want. It won't change the fact that your favorite fighter lost last night-and The Left and John David Jackson weren't to blame.

    Yeah, really good. The whole fight was well contested and fought at a fast clip.
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Of course its not entirely about politics, but that's what started the not so subtle shift in mood towards me, I picked up on it fairly quickly. Your little condescending snippy comments attempting to paint me as some stereotypical NASCAR loving hick, because God forbid, I don't agree with millionaire Football players pissing on the country that's given them such a wonderful life to begin with. Little things here and there, you could call them passive aggressive, that rubbed me the wrong way about you. So while my POV's weren't the main reason, your petty annoyances with me over them, served to exacerbate the few things about my personality that really irked you to begin with, that you used to let slide. You have a somewhat cliched view of me made up in your mind, even though you don't know me personally, but you're running with it anyway. Because that's what you do, you love to pretend like you're somehow above the fray, yet at the same time all you do repeatedly is stereotype everyone on this site, whether you want to admit it or not and paint what you think are like minded individuals with a broad sweeping brush.

    I was never a big proponent of the JDJ angle, whatever the hell that was supposed to be. I never cared all that much. Kovalev lost because he was disillusioned and lost interest in the sport, some of that had to do with his trainer betraying him, but he should have used that hatred and anger to fuel him, but hey, he's human and has failings, maybe a Russian fighter coming to the US thinking he can trust his own trainer to be loyal to him, then ruthlessly being betrayed, it messed with his head in a big way, and he let it destroy his confidence in everything. Sometimes the smallest things can do that. But that was on Kovalev to rise above all of that and fight through it. And he hasn't been able to. Oh well.

    But my anger had zero to do with you saying anything about JDJ, it had everything to do with you being a petty little ***** and throwing that in everyone's face at that particular moment, and attempting to drag race into it, because that's what it was. Not sure why in that moment, exonerating a rat fink piece of **** trainer means so much to you, but hey, the Left love defending scum lately. It seems to be a pattern with most of you moral relativists over there. You have a huge ugly chip on your shoulder, and you're a nasty piece of work, and no matter how much you try to hide that side of you, it peeks out regardless.

    Hey, I'm a flawed guy, who's too emotional, can be an *******, and grating, irritating, frustrating and flat out awful, but I know that about myself, I've been well aware of my flaws for years and acknowledge them freely. Nothing you'r going to point out about me will shock me in the least.

    Yeah, my favorite fighter got KO'd, he also was 1000's of other fans favorite fighter as well, and you danced on his grave, which kind of makes you as dirty and rotten a scoundrel as you think I am doesn't it? Oh... but you don't like rolling around with the other pigs in their slop do you? Mr. Hoity Toity hypocrite. **** you you obnoxious self righteous overbearing embarrassing twat. You really do need to come down off of your high horse, the thin air up there is giving you an inflated sense of your own importance. You're no one's boss, and not special, you're a nothing, just like me, so stop acting like you're everyone's father.
     
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  3. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Kovalev and Duva should have gone ahead with the Marcus Browne fight.

    Browne fought last night, and struggled against a journeyman. He is nowhere near as good a fighter as Alvarez, and would have been a sure win for the Krusher.
     
  4. youppi

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    Duva completely dismissed the win... I wonder if Kovalev will somehow complain about something too. "I was winning easily and would have stopped him but he landed a lucky shot"
     
  5. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Indeed.

    I guess it beats randomly attacking people in person.

    Anyway, I'm done with this conversation. Life is a whole better without negativity so I'm removing myself from one of the main sources of it on this site. Whether that source of negativity exists in the future is no longer any of my concern.
     
  6. youppi

    youppi New Member banned Full Member

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    take this love fest to Pm... or at least argue about Kovalev
     
  7. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sorry, guys.
     
  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Just to clarify..... I don't get upset with being called out, most of the stuff you listed is an objective fact, when have I ever denied any of this? I'm deeply flawed, I know that, and make no excuses, it is what it is, I also make no apologies for any of it. However... I don't manufacture anything, I'm reactive, when I see someone being incendiary and provocative merely for the sake or being provocative I tend to strike hard, maybe a little too hard sometimes. And I don't jump on every little comment that I find objectionable, I find the vast majority of opinions held by most people on this site to be objectionable in some way or another, but I generally don't care that much. I also don't need anything to fuel my anger, its self generating, I have an endless supply, its like a natural resource. So sorry, this was no gotcha post from you... there's nothing in first half of this fake post I won't cop to. However the second half is inaccurate, but what am I going to do? Accuse you of being a wannabe crack psychologist, I do the same thing myself.


    Fine by me.


    Done.
     
  9. David B

    David B Nazi Russia lies. This is the only truth. Full Member

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    What the ****

    relax
    This is just a boxing forum guys
    Some of you take this way too seriously

    I am a Kovalev fan but his lifestyle significantly shortened his career
    my wife knows someone from his close entourage and the Klitschko's
    Sergey for years now drinks vodka from the bottle
    no matter how hard you train , it will have an impact

    major props to Alvarez
    Would be cool he could unify against Stevenson
     
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  10. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's trying to get Stevenson to sign on the dotted line.
     
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  11. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    Watching Bivol vs Chilemba again, Chilemba does better from the 5 round on to be sure but through 7 Bivol is still pitching a clear shutout. I'll say this, Bivol is doing a hell of a lot better against a better and tricky opponent in Chilemba then Gvozdyk did against his last opponent, light hitting French journeymen Mehdi Amar.
     
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  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'm curious about Bivol's performance, being among his biggest hype men on here...but something about the prospect of watching a full length Isaac Chilemba fight already knowing the result...ugh. I'd rather inhale a dozen brown paper bags farted into separately by as many overweight near-retirement-age metropolitan bus drivers on their lunch breaks, one for each round. Maybe I'd be willing to check out like three minutes of the fight and just huff eleven fartbags, idk...

    Watched a fair bit of the leadup to & through Kovalev being stopped, though. No excuses. Krusher was just the second best man on the night. Sad to watch him topple like that. :ohno
     
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  13. scorecard12

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    with you being a diehard Kovalev fan, glad you admit it was more than a lucky punch. it was a legit fight from start to Finish. Alvarez took a better punch. the whole hbo saying alvarez had no power throughout the night wasn't so true. he just boxes mostly switches up his power, he has a handful of legit knockouts where he hurt people badly not just wear downs. that being said I don't really know how far alvarez goes, Stevenson I think he beats too. Bivol who knows? Beterbiev… erm the fight wont happen but there's no way I'd pick alvarez to win.
     
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    Round 8 10-9 Chilemba

    79-73 Bivol
     
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    Round 9 10-9 Bivol

    Chilemba barely landed a punch in the round.

    89-82 Bivol.
     
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