Floyd fought Cotto at 154 but was unwilling fight a young, green Canelo and had to gain advantageina catch weight....just like when he cheated against JMM.
HaHa. So, you consider a guy who never rated highly P4P to be an ATG. Yet you throw shade at Ward, a man who reached the literal pinnacle of the sport as a "probably" an HOF'er at some point. Show me on the doll where it hurts that Andre eclipsed your hero.
Floyd always had an angle. Makes it hard to appreciate how good he really was. In fact, I'd say all those little angles denied him and us the chance to really see how great he could have been.
Once again p4p is a make believe thing. You are trying to base an argument on something not relevant to the thread on a fictional thing lol. Wake up. You are making yourself sound ridiculous You know also p4p as well as being fictional is also partly based on what other fighter's are active. I doubt many would be rated above top multi weight champs like Mayweather or Pacquiao when prime and active and people could argue who would be rated higher before they fought because it is a make believe thing. Fictional. Hopefully that will help your insecurity.
No. P4P is completely meaningful when justifying Joe's win over Hopkins. It works when you want it to work. Andre achieved #1 P4P in the world status. Very few fighters have done that. Only ATGs. It is completely relevant. Your hero never even came close. That's just a bonus. I have nothing to be insecure about. I don't base my happiness on my ability to defend a hero who doesn't know I exist. So, kiss the picture of Joe you keep on the mirror, and point to the hurt spot on the doll.
As said P4P is not real. It is a fantasy thing based on anyone opinion. You are wanting to use it as an angle. Its not You are obsessed with Calzaghe to the point or randomly mentioning him in a different thread. Get some help pal Thats not correct either. D Curry was #1 P4P, but I dont think anyone is calling him an ATG. It can be a monthly thing even. I read about Golovkin being P4P #1 recently. It is a fictional thing. It can be based on who is around even and who was prime at that time. You seem to be thinking that you have an angle with this made up rating often but not always based on the results of fighters not always in the same division. So I will humour your lack of knowledge again (and do keep in mind that you were schooled badly by me when trying to debate subjects you know little of) for a minute and ask who else was in these ratings to make a comparison and at what stage of their careers. I know for a fact you wont do that and will bottle doing it because as we both know this dispels your argument about a fictional thing completely. Something I seem to do on a regular basis with you now it seems There you go wanting to mention him again and make some sort of attack. That is insecurity. You are bringing up someone to me constantly because you feel insecure where they are involved. That is an issue you have. Still answer the above lol
There's no way I could be secure or insecure over the achievements of another man. I have my own career, family, etc. The fact you base your personal self worth on Joe Cal's career and denigrating anybody who eclipses it is apparent. The 100k posts on the subject a dead giveaway of a life without personal accomplishment or devoid or real life personal interaction. Countless hours spent debating strangers and looking up boxrec on behalf of a man who doesn't even know you exist is a wasted life. In this case you are trying to take an argument you make when it fits your agenda and say it is meaningless when it doesn't. An obvious and shallow attempt to take away from a man who achieved far more than you could ever hope to (and more than your idol). Honestly, despite your coming off as a self righteous dick, I feel pity for you. It must suck to live vicariously through so a shallow idol who again, does not know you even exist.
Lol You brought him up to me on this thread that wasnt even about him and for no apparent reason. Thats self pwnage at its finest dummy So obviously its finally sunk into that thick skull of yours that P4P is just an opinion and is a mythical thing and as predicted ducked all the questions posed to you when I said I would humour your stupidity for sake of argument, when you knew you would continue to look a twat when answering. I havent said anything that could give you the impression of being self righteous. Yiou are the one who has argued about subjects you had little to no knowledge about and who has been factually incorrect time and time again but still "self righteously" felt the need to push your opinion over. Now if it were really a case of you feeling pity for me, you wouldnt just randomly bring up a fighter to me on a thread not relevant to them for no apparent reason. That isnt you feeling pity, thats you feeling butthurt when being corrected so many times with facts and having to resort to fictional opinions to try and feel better. Once again that is the insecurity showing through. No doubt you will bring up the same fighter again on a thread not about them and try and deter your insecurities by saying I am spending countless hours on a subject when YOU brought it up. Yep thats you summed up right there
The pound for pound rankings are the collective wisdom of the people in the sport whose opinions matter most: writers, historians, broadcasters, etc. That is exactly why you cited Hopkins as being #3 P4P in our previous thread. The fact you spent time scouring P4P lists last night looking for a weak link proves my point that you had nothing else to do. Me? I enjoyed dinner by the beach with my wife, son and friend. See the difference? The fact you brought up Donald Curry as an example of a poor fighter just proves your limited experience and knowledge of boxing. You weren't watching back then, you haven't seen him. You don't know. Andre Ward obviously poses some type of threat to your self worth, which is obviously tied to Joe Cal. You are an obsessive fanboy, not an actual boxing fan. I'll let you have this. You obviously need it more than I do. I have a life. There are real boxing fans on this site, and you clearly aren't one of them.
So you rate the opinion of broadcasters who could have a vested interest So tell me who creates the P4P list and which one as there are several. ITs a mythical thing fool I genuinely havent got a clue what you are even referring to here? It just appears that when I showed you that P4P could be based on who was around and when you realised that your point had no weight to it. This is you lying again. I never said Curry was a poor fighter. Blatant lie on your part. Thats your insecurity and threat. You do realise that you brought up Calzaghe to me for no reason on this thread dont you? You brought him up not me. So you didnt try and answer the questions posed to you and just said that you think I spent the night looking for a loophole. You would be a bigger man to admit you got it wrong again, but you cant do that even though you like to pretend that you could. No doubt you will look to come back at some point pretending to be a fan when bringing up a random fighter you feel threatened by on a thread not relevant and say how you pity me when trying to insult because getting it so wrong eats at you. Try and get some sleep tonight lol
First Ward fight that I've ever seen where there was no flying headbutt.....low blows etc Fascinating
Low level ATG, but yeah. He's the best super middleweight we've had. If ATG means top 100 p4p since 1920 when we have reliable footage to go with the records, that means roughly 10 guys from every decade get in. Ward's probably a top 10 guy from this decade.
