Why should Peter train him? He couldn’t keep the reigns on Tyson and keep him on the straight and narrow and didn’t quite seem to grasp or appreciate the magnitude of his mental illness (seen him talk about it and admit to his lack of knowledge on it). He’s old school. Fury has lost 9 stone...the motivation needed to do that is just incredible. The influence Davison has is clearly huge and he knows how to get the best out of him.
We will see come the wilder fight night if he knows how to get the best out of him, he seemed to struggle to against Seferi!
Two fights in and I’m honestly none the wiser about this Nandrolone free Fury, mainly due to Seferi and Pianeta both being totally awful. I’d honestly put money on them both losing by first round KO to Pricey.
Here are Tyson and Ben AFTER last night's fight against Pianeta : This content is protected From everything I'm seeing, these guys mean serious business.
Ben tbf to him seems a nice lad and he does seem to know what he's talking about . He comes across level headed and quite intelligent. The area o do think he's lacking is specific to the sport. Tactics, strategy, understanding the flow of the fight. Reading fights and reading the opposition. These are usually mastered with years within the sport at a good level. I just don't think he's got the experience in them areas. We are asking someone who has no real experience of training pro fighters no real experience of cornering championship fights. We are asking g this chap to do all this for the lineal heavyweight champion, asking him to do all this in his first real position as a trainer. This ain't a knock on Ben. I think your asking too much of anyone with them credentials
I agree, he’s lacking massively in experience. It’s good that he’s got Ricky Hatton chipping in amongst others. I do wonder whether Fury is now one of the fighters who doesn’t really need a great deal of tactical guidance through a fight, but maybe needs someone to simply manage his emotions instead, reminding him to keep calm and relaxed and that he doesn’t need to take chances etc. Fury to his credit is an intelligent fighter, he can manage a fight, he just needs reminding not to get distracted with stuff going on outside the ring or showboating.
I am getting worried now 20. I've just watched the ifl video with Ben. D. In it he says he didn't want Tyson to take the wilder fight, he (ben) told Tyson that. Tyson said to Ben " I have to save the face of British Boxing. So you have the trainer not thinking his fighter is no no way ready for the fight, he then proceeds to change his mind and throw all the doubts out because his fighter see ya he wants to save the face of British Boxing. Well that's a weak trainer. He should be calling the shots and all the reasons why he didn't believe Tyson wasn't ready, he should be hammering that home. What kind of reason is that to go from believing your fighter isn't ready, to agreeing he might be ready because of some romantic notion of saving the face of British Boxing. I think a lot of wrong decisions are been made here.
Just watched it. I know what you mean. Tyson is holding the reigns there, although Davison feels that he can beat him. Judging from that video, Fury wants to move things along quickly as he’s been there and done that, whereas Davison wants to slow it down...I guess it’s all new to him.
He came accords as though his mind was easily changed on Tyson words, which all in all didn't seem like a unprofessional decision from Tyson. I don't know mate, boxing is a team sport from the fighter to the trainer(s), manager and promoter. If one of them cogs isn't on the ball, the whole deck can come crashing down. I just get a feeling that there's something lacking in the whole team fury set up. Trying to save the face of British Boxing just doesn't sound like a well put together plan to me. Tyson is a fantastic boxer/fighter, he's incredible for a hw, the moves and skills he possesses are something we havient seem for a long time. I really want him to do well, I'm also a big fan of Hughie, he's another talent. But I just feel the wrong decision has been made to fight wilder next, I'm also not as confident with Ben.d. as id like to be.
Fury fights to the level of his opponents, that's his greatest strength. In the Klitschko fight, Peter didn't give him huge amounts of tactical advice, i remembered hearing the word 'Grafting' multiple times. Fury must seperate this fight down with Wilder into it's simpliest terms..... Avoid that right hand!
I agree...it is as simple as avoid the right hand. Tyson switches off tho, he's always done it. I'm hoping it's as you suggest and he fights to the level of his opponent and he comes in really focused against wilder. Any signs of switching off in there and it could be curtains
So you don't think that the trainer should have the most input on whether his fighter is up to the task of going in with a certain opponent?. We are talking Tyson. F. Here with all the problems he's had in the past. This has been a possible concern for a lot since bens induction as trainer. Is he a yes man.? That's what a yes man is...a weak member of the team. What my concerns were more than anything is the reason Tyson gave to dispel Ben.d. reservations. Saving the face of British Boxing imo is not a reason I would change my mind with if I didn't feel my fighter was ready. You also say it's the managers decision to choose who the fighter fights. That's true but the final decision should only be made with the trainers blessing. If a fighter loses who is it who gets the chop...Well if anyone is going to go then it's the trainer, it's never the manager. I think your underestimating the role of a trainer here. He more than anyone knows his fighter, or at least he should do. Trainers usually know the fighter better than the fighter knows himself.. If Ben doesn't think that Tyson is ready, then he should not be changing his mind because Tyson has some romantic notion of saving British Boxing, what kind of a professional reason is that?
Ben didn't want Tyson to take the fight, he clearly said that. That is what I put in my first paragraph in the post you made the initial reply to. In them circumstances, not wanting to take the fight usually equates to, he's not as confident as he likes to be. I also don't agree with a yes man couldn't have turned a 27 stone fighter into a 10 rd fighter. Of course he could, if that's what the said fighter wanted. My initial post was to point out one thing really, that was Ben didn't want Tyson to fight wilder next, he then proceeded to to change his mind on a imo unprofessioal reason like wanting to save the face of British Boxing. Imo I don't think that reason warrants Ben changing his mind, you might do, that's your prerogative. Do you think if Peter fury was telling Tyson he wasn't ready to face wilder yet, he would of changed his mind because Tyson says he wants to save the face of British Boxing. I honestly don't think you understand the mammoth task in front of any potential trainer, in bringing back someone like Tyson, the former, with all his problems. Back to been where he was. It's a massive task and I can tell you for fact, other trainers with far more experience were approached before Davison and they knocked it back, for the reason I have mentioned above.
