The official Gypsy King vs. Bronze Bomber brouhaha repository

Sadly you're not allowed to claim Fury looks a shadow of him former self.

 

Fury will not get in the hall of fame, it will be hard to see how AJ or Wilder either, born in the wrong era, AJ has the best chance because of his age and physical conditioning, he says he wants to fight well into his late 30`s and his brilliant training will allow him to do that, Wilder is too old to make enough defenses before his reflexes go and Fury`s body is a mess, he only has a couple of years left, he eats all the wrong foods and snorting coke ages you beyond belief, he won`t make it at all.

 

Lineal (and if he remains - and once again retires - unbeaten) HW champ? Almost certainly gets in, whether anyone likes it or not.

 

I have finally had a chance to watch the Fury vs Pianeta fight after reading the RBR over the weekend.

After reading through the commentary, I thought Fury must have performed terribly.
I'm really not sure what many were watching...

I thought Fury fought very well. It was obvious he used the fight to get some rounds in and test himself against a fighter who was durable enough to do just that. He didn't look to get a stoppage, and i'm grateful that he didn't. He's not that type of fighter. He did exactly what he needed to do, and I think he's easily on track to outbox a limited Wilder.

Given a 2 year layoff, he performed very well in the weekend. His foot speed was great, his hand speed is still there and proved elusive. Not to mention that his stamina proved to be back at the world class level.

He dropped his hands too often, but he can easily change that. He got caught more than he should have, but you would be foolish to believe he would fight the same way against Wilder.

There was a shot that he landed in round 8 that I believe would keep Deontay honest.

I said it months ago, and i'll say it again. Fury has multiple ways to beat Wilder and has the IQ to do so. Wilder doesn't...

Wilder has 1 way, and 1 way only to beat Fury. Power.
Speed beats power, and timing beats speed. Both of which Fury will utilise against Wilder.

Against Wilder I see him working from the outside, frustrating Wilder with his lateral movement and strategically using his weight to take Wilders game away. He will beat Wilder by multiple rounds and 'fans' will claim he ran.

Hate away my American friends, but Fury wins by SD
(I would lean towards MD, but given the track record of Wilders scorecards, I don't see it honest)

Bookmark this thread, because i'm more than happy to put a ban bet on it if i'm wrong come fight night.

 

i will take your bet, but would rather make it an avatar bet, as i feel you are a solid poster and are an asset to the forum.
fury at his best, will not last 7 rds vs wilder. wilder is too long and covers too much ground with an h-bomb at the end of his perimeter. fury does not have the game to work himself in close enough to outpoint him, cause he aint going to ko wilder, and he wont win a long distance battle against the harder hitting, faster bomber.

 

I too have changed my mind slightly thanks to @IntentionalButt .

He made a great point about guys like Duhuapas, Arreola and Molina all going way more rounds than expected.....And Fury is bigger, a lot harder to hit and has a superior jab to those 3.
(I guess you could throw Stiverne l in there too, and Ortiz was feared for his offence, his defence is, well was, untested).

Fury could go 12, and if he does, i'd have to favor him.

 

Yes, Fury is unimpressive for the most part. Last night's victory was a bore, but....

The sad truth is that I don't think Wilder is good enough to take advantage of it. Yes, he has the puncher's chance for sure, but beyond that I don't think he has the physical strength or coordination to take it to the bigger man. I would bet on Fury.

Joshua still deserves to be number 1, and I'd take him over either of these guys. I'm not a fan of his, and my perception could change, but right now I think Fury-Wilder is a contest between numbers 2 and 3 in the division.

 

Sounds good mate, and I appreciate the sentiment. Great to see there is still respect on the boards from time to time

I completely understand the concerns around Wilders power. Don't get me wrong... but I just don't see him utilising it against a skilled fighter like Fury.

Wilder proved against Duhuapas, Molina, Washington and even the much slower Ortiz that he struggles with lateral movement and basic counter punching. If you stand in front of Wilder, you will get dropped. No doubt about it. Wilder also struggles if a fighter takes away his range. Fury is very good at getting his shots off whether he is in close or fighting at a distance.

The thing with Fury is he won't stand in front of Wilder. He will move, he will pot shot, he will tap the body and have Wilder confused. Wilder is a big puncher, but he is incredibly limited as a boxer. As he is mentally.

I think Wilder will look for the one punch, and it just won't come. In the process, Fury will tie him up and smother him.

I expect to see a Tua/Lewis mentality, with Wilder frustrated in the mid to late rounds.

But again...just my 2cents

 

This is a good point and I'll say this, if Wilder doesn't beat this fat, inactive version of Fury, he will be the biggest joke in HW history.

 

of course, thats why im getting pumped for a fight i would normally not be too interested in, because they are both very imperfect fighters who could just as easily beat themselves as get embarrassed by the other.
im sure you will become a fan of deontay when your sporting him as an avatar for a few months.

 

In the past I have disagreed with the majority of your AJ posts OOAC, but I appreciate this

@IntentionalButt is bang on. If we look at Wilders track record, you can see the obvious flaws.
A boxer with the IQ and skills of Fury, he will pick Wilder apart.

If Duhuapas, Molina, Washington and Ortiz were able to make Wilder miss, Fury will have little trouble.
Let's not forget that Fury has the ability to adapt. He fights to his opponents ability.

Wilder struggles with lateral movement - Fury has great movement for a big man
Wilder is the smaller man & relies on one punch power - Fury has the ability to pick his shots, rush Wilder and tie him up. Wilder hasn't really had to rely on his stamina. This could be a game changer come round 4-7.
When he has faced a mobile fighter, Wilder has been slow to get going - Fury is active from the opening bell. Expect to see him take full advantage of Wilders lack of engagement.
Wilder is often there to be hit - Fury is very accurate with his long jab. I expect to see him doubling up all night with scoring shots.
Let's not forget that Wilder has questions around his punch resistance (as does Fury) - If he's going to have to walk Fury down, then he has a real chance of getting caught coming forward. Fury isn't the biggest puncher by any stretch, however he has fast hands for a big guy and he packs enough to trouble Wilder.

There are a number of different ways that Fury can fight to beat Wilder. I think he's going to surprise a lot of people.

This all coming from a fan that didn't originally rate Fury...

 

Honestly the Wilder that fought Molina et al wasn't as good as the one that fought Ortiz..

Wilder has improved a fair bit since he won the title..

I would prefer for Fury to be 100% before trying to win titles, it reeks of a cash out to me..

 

This ain’t the Ams though and for all the points Fury thinks he can win with his pity pat punches Wilder will be inflicting damage and I can’t see Fury keeping him off him to be honest.

 

@kiwi_boxer

You'll have seen my Joshua prophecies come true aswell......

But sadly, my crystal ball did not foresee a returning Fury, and Loma's CW twin entering the HW scene.