Was Povetkin's inability to hurt Christian Hammer going to be very alarming going into the AJ fight

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Was Povetkin's inability to hurt Christian Hammer going to be very alarming going into the AJ fight?

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I mean, how does Povetkin hope to even discourage or even get the respect out of Anthony Joshua, never mind being able to KO / drop him, if his hardest punches just bounced off Christian Hammer's face and body like a feather bouncing off a wall?

    How do you go from being unable to even hurt, put a dent in, discouraging, or deterring suspect chinned opponents like Christian Hammer and journeymen like Andriy Rudenko to KO'ing, hurting, denting and discouraging the highest level heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, who is far bigger, far more muscular, far stronger, far more powerful and far more durable? Not to mention, far rangier and taller too.

    How does Povetkin even stand a chance of a prayer in hell against this insane giant behemoth that is Anthony Joshua?

    How can anybody not this see this as a disgraceful, dangerous and a disgusting mismatch?
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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  3. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    If he can get close enough he can knock AJ out. He has enough power, i cant believe you are suggesting he doesnt, and Joshua has an average chin for a heavyweight. Some say its china, some say its solid i think it is standard. Your guna get wobbled and dropped in this division, i cant think of anybody with half decent record who hasnt.

    Povetkins problem is going to be getting in to range, Price had worked on using his jab with Povetkin and even though the technique was pretty bad it proved quite effective. Joshua,s is much better as is the rest of his game.

    Although Joshua isnt so hot on backing back in to safety should his opponant close the gap on him. He can tie a man up no problem but if thats not an option and he has to get out of dodge hes pretty slow at moving backwards.

    Should be a Joshua victory, i even think if he got beaten then we should be allowed to call it a mini shock. But i dont think its a nailed on forgone conclusion like we knew it would be against Molina or Breazeale. Povetkin is still ranked for a good reason, hes not exactly been a last minute 15th spot by the WBC (and thats not a Wilder dig thats a WBC did at all their weights).
     
  4. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So basically you're saying that if Povetkin gets through the first round that would mean Joshua is garbage.
     
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  5. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    You would have to watch Povetkn's fight with Hammer
    (I STRONGLY ADVISE YOU NOT TO DO THIS*....)
    to understand just how he managed to eke out 12 rounds against a far superior boxer. He showed zero ambition, such that for any useful lessons to be drawn for the Joshua fight one would have to imagine that AJ would willingly surrender all his hard won titles in exchange for safe passage for 12 rounds.

    This I suggest is an unrealistic proposition.











    *Unless you suffer from insomnia or intense sadomasochistic impulses.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As I posted in another thread, if Alexander Povetkin beats Anthony Joshua, Povetkin will be the SECOND-OLDEST man to win a heavyweight title.

    George Foreman was 45. Alexander Povetkin will be 39 when he steps in the ring.

    But I give him a real shot at winning. Not because of his power, so much. He does have power. But Povetkin is one of the more busier heavyweights, in terms of throwing punches.

    He doesn't lose many rounds in fights.

    I could see him being a lot busier than Anthony Joshua. For all his faults, I think Povetkin is a lot better then Joseph Parker ever was.

    I won't be surprised if this fight goes 12, and I won't be surprised if Povetkin outhustles him through many rounds.

    Could be interesting if it goes to the scorecards.
     
  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    No. Povektin KO'd a more fresh Takham, and did it more impressively than Joshua did vs. an older more worn out guy. He hits hard enough, epically with the hook, and has a way to move in close to score to the head or body vs taller men.

    See the David Price fight if you want to see his latest KO.
     
  8. BCS8

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    Povetkin was content for some reason to coast through the Hammer fight. He was never in any trouble whatsoever, and, I can't remember the scorecards but it felt like a whitewash to me. Hammer was equally content to cover up and not get KO'd and counter where he could.

    On the other hand guys like Takam, Duhaupas and Price were looking to make a fight of it. Because they were looking to make a fight of it, they had to open up as well. Povetkin stopped all three.

    I very much doubt AJ is just going to clam up.

    He's going to try jab Pov on the outside and uppercut him on the inside and hope that the ref doesn't let them work close. If Povetkin trains like he should train, he will be the busier fighter with more stamina. He needs to avoid early damage, and imo the longer the fight goes on the better for him. Povetkin works the body, hooks around the gloves and has a vicious uppercut himself.

    AJ is facing a guy with a complete arsenal of punches and its going to be interesting whether his size and strength conquer all or whether Povetkin can regain the form he had andbring it all together to pick AJ apart.
     
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  9. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But the KO over Takam was years ago. It bears no relevance right now! Going by recent performances, Povetkin failed to score a single knockdown, never mind a KO over low level journeymen and suspect chinned heavyweights like Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer. I suggest everyone to go and watch those two fights to see how feather fisted, weak and light hitting Povetkin looked.

    David Price is irrelevant because he has always been extremely fragile in terms of fitness and conditioning. His lack of those two things has always let him down. That's totally different from a super heavyweight who is in peak condition and fitness like Anthony Joshua.
     
  10. BCS8

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    Listen son, you were going on about how Price was going to kill Povetkin. Have some decency and admit that you were wrong.
     
  11. Mendoza

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    Joshua was safety first vs. Takam and Parker. If he's in great shape to go 12 fast rounds, or pacing himself?

    Povektin can hit pretty hard. Power is the last thing to go.

    No one has stopped Andriy Rudenko.

    Let's cut to the chase Povetkin has Ko's over Duhapas and Wach. Both these guys take a very good punch. Ask anyone. Wlad could not even stop Wach. This shows Povektin has more than enough power to Stop Joshua, okay. Will he, that is to be seen.
     
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  12. obelector

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    the judges in the UK pre fill the cards for that eventuality
     
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  13. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usually, I'd say these are good points that I'd usually agree with. But ONLY if Povetkin was younger and still in his prime. I think many underestimate just how much detriment age has on an athlete. Especially to someone with the style and physical dimensions of Alexander Povektin.

    I just can't see Povetkin being able to sustain any reasonable workrate to overwhelm and outwork Anthony Joshua at this stage of his old career.
     
  14. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yup, pretty much! Going by the standards set by Anthony Joshua fanatics. Joshua shouldn't even need more than a round to brutally KO Povetkin unconscious or at least just a few rounds.

    If Povetkin survives even a few rounds, then Joshua gets exposed for failing to fulfill the standards set by his fanatics and therefore gets exposed as being 'garbage'.
     
  15. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Povetkin struggled to even hurt, never mind drop, let alone KO guys who are significantly less durable, smaller, less muscular and stronger than Anthony Joshua like Christian Hammer for example.

    If Povetkin beats Anthony Joshua, it'd arguably be the greatest single win in heavyweight boxing history. No other heavyweight, at the same age as Povetkin, with the same size disadvantage and with as many overall disadvantages, ever beat an opponent at the caliber of Joshua. It never happened!

    It'd be the greatest shock in heavyweight boxing history.

    To keep things in perspective, Mike Tyson was getting brutalized by opponents far inferior to Joshua like Kevin McBride and Danny Williams when he was Povetkin's current age. Nobody would've given Mike Tyson a chance against Joshua at that age. But if Povetkin beats Joshua at that age, think about how impressive and shocking that'd be.

    Even Holyfield at the same as Povetkin right now, was losing to far inferior heavyweights like Larry Donald.