Into The Abyss: Krusher Shrugged-The Painful Fall From Grace Of Sergey Alexandrovich Kovalev.

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  1. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I don't know whether Gvozdyk or anyone else has any great feelings about Kovey, maybe they do, maybe they don't. I don't read Russian. I do know that the three trainers who have worked with him have been thoroughly unimpressed by his behavior. That's three, not one. I guess they're all "lying duplicitous rats?"

    I'm sure that I could find many of people who have great things to say about JDJ as well. Yes, Stevenson WAS a criminal. WAS is the operative word there. That was when Clinton was president.
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 Liminal Space Autochthon Staff Member

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    Let's see, Abel Sanchez is a loudmouth overbearing ass, John David Jackson is a rat, maybe the new guy just caught the brunt of all the mistrust of trainers that's built up in Kovalev. The tail end, you know, the Kovalev that has literally lost interest and just stopped caring, kind of the point of this thread. I've seen Gvozdyk talk very favorably about Kovalev, there's obviously great affection between the two of them.

    When you start being forgiving of people being asses, maybe I'll consider thinking about giving former actual vile criminals a second chance, until then, don't come at me with your moralizing.
     
  3. Dangerwood84

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    Probably the wrong thread because I am not mentioning his outside the ring personality. One of my fav fighters who consistently entertained in his fights. I know a lot is said about his chin, personally it always worried me how he would take a big shot. In all his televised fights pre Ward, I don't recall anybody ever landing a big shot on him which I find a bit quirky as he was an attacking boxer and not the most elusive looking. Even though he dominated in fights there was one or two moments, maybe it was against Pascal, I can't remember for sure. Where he may have caught a glancing blow and didn't react the greatest from it.
    From the Hopkins fight on, he also seemed to try to box more, wouldn't go in for the kill as quickly. He could have knocked Hopkins out quick that night. I would have liked to have seen the continuation of the 'kill or be killed' (apologies for the pun) fighter that had won the title. If he can find the right mental space and the right opponents at light heavy, I think he can still do well. He should definentely take the immediate rematch.
     
  4. slender4

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    [url]https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/sergey-kovalev-is-hated-even-in-russia.534940/[/url]

    Here's the wonderful combination of rabbit punches that ended Cleverly's career...

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    I didn't see any points deducted.
     
  5. slender4

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    1. Those three guys know him, as far as I know you do not. If I'm wrong and you have the guy over for dinner please let me know.

    2. Maybe he stopped caring, maybe he just didn't have much of a chin. I guess we'll never know.

    3. I am forgiving. He's an ass, that's fine. But he's by all accounts is still an ass, and this is not my personal opinion it is the opinion of people who have worked with him for years.

    4. You don't have to give anyone a second chance, that's your option. Like the guy, hate him, that's up to you.
     
  6. CST80

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    So, someone accuses someone of being a low level gangster, and that's worst than being an actual low level gangster? And you now have an issue with people getting testy sitting behind a keyboard and fighting on forums?:lol: Get some perspective would you?
     
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  7. CST80

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    How about you have him over for dinner first? Since you're the one casting aspersions on someone you don't know personally. Its you with the axe to grind, not I.

    Its the opinions of some, not all.
     
  8. slender4

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    I have not grinded any axe, not with Kovalev, not with Stevenson, not with Abel Sanchez and not with JDJ. I said that Kovalev strikes me as an ass, I don't think I'm alone at this. I said Stevenson did terrible things 20 years ago, which he did. I said I have no proof that JDJ did anything unethical, and if you do, please post it. I will read it.
     
  9. CST80

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    Being an ass is all in the eye of the beholder. Most trainers themselves are asses and tyrannical drill intructors, some people deal with being bossed around better than others. Kovalev isn't one of those guys, it is what it is.
     
  10. MrHello

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    Instead crying over Kovalev's KO defeat, people should be happy for Alvarez who scored a great victory and went from zero to hero.
     
  11. lewis gassed

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    Great write up. A trip back to E-burg definitely brought some bad memories.
    In a hindsight Kov should have switched trainers after Pascal II. His decline started with Chilemba fight. His stamina issues had surfaced.
     
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  12. CST80

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    Wow, that's quite a dismissive attitude, the way you act, the mere fact that a guy that makes a living getting punched in the face had the audacity to get hit a little too hard and fall down 3 times, was tantamount to a traitorous act. Like he should be forgotten and shunned for all eternity. Jesus Christ, the man was a P4P Top 3 guy a little over a year ago, I think his decline could bear some closer examination, since most top fighters don't fall apart as quickly as Kovalev. Lighten up a little.

    No one is taking credit away from Alvarez, merely analyzing the possible reasons for the loss. I give Alvarez full credit, hence why I said I didn't think Kovalev looked all that bad in their match. Try taking out your righteous indignation on all the people who make hundreds of threads attacking Jeff Horn for beating Pacquiao or Srisaket Sor Rungvisai for beating Roman Gonzalez. Or how about the ones who make spin doctor threads trying to undermine and discredit Wilder's win over Ortiz or Mayweather's win over Pacquiao for their litany of reasons.
     
  13. Salty Dog

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    Fair enough. :beer-toast1:
     
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  14. dominatorh

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    He's also said a lot of great things about Beterbiev. The Nail knows the score he likes people he is a good guy probably. The nail to me has looked weak in some early rounds in his career but he's man enough to know and make changes that's why the Nail likely takes over 175! as for Kovalev I think he was just hard to train ive heard the same thing about conditioning coaches etc, I think Kovalev was just Stubborn/proud that's his main issue. So, he probably was really liked by Duva Duva wasn't there training him and a trainer is yelling at you 90% of the time and Kovalev probably just got pissed off maybe not a good fit. there's a lot of elements to being a great boxer and staying great for a long time. The perfect trainer helps a guy that knows when to yell at you to get you to dig deeper, if someone who annoys you tells you to go deeper... you tell him "f**k off"

    I know you haven't been one to say this but while at it "too OLD" isn't true he's 35 that's not young but it aint old either. his body now he easily could get his title back. If he wanted his title back he'd be going through a great camp getting proper condition hell call billy joes guy up! he is physically able to beat all the guys he beat over the years, hell he's able to rematch Andre ward and beat him!!! he just doesn't have the mentality and as you said he doesn't care/want it anymore. Boxing is a hard reality. I really think he fell off in ward I when he just needed another round.
     
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  15. OpinionOfACasual

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    "One of the most sport's most talented and well rounded fighters"


    I completely disagree with that.

    The Hopkins fight showed he was nowhere near as well rounded as suggested.


    If you can't cut off the ring against a 50 year old, you have serious limitations.