Cotto vs Pacquiao in a P4P sense + other matchups

You're overrating him.

 

With Jones he's not, with Guzman he is.

 

We're talking about a current Floyd in a P4P sense, and not the 130 pound Floyd, correct?

 

With Jones he most certainly is as well, and I'm a big Jones fan.

Jones was fantastic, but on a completely different level to anyone who's ever fought? Nonsense.

 

Cotto.....maybe a surprise to some but I think the jab of Cotto would be the difference in him controlling Pac.....Cotto really doesnt get credit as a counter puncher, or boxing master, he's labeled incorrectly by some as just a puncher.....well thats very incorrect...the Malignaggi fight really opened my eyes to this and Cottos superior boxing ability, he's merely an offensive boxer/counter/puncher, not defensive like PBF.......
Sure Pac is fast but at 147 it would be about even.....another thing Cotto is very underrated at is his SPEED......it's why he beats Margo soon.....Cotto is just too ****ing quick..and when he's not he'll rely on his superior ability to time his opponent....Cotto is ****ing brilliant!!!!

I can't say anything bad about Pac, infact I was going to vote for him before really made an honest comparison between the two.....Pac really isn't as versatile as Cotto in my opinion

 

That might not be the case, but to me, and many others, Roy is the best h2h fighter ever. I'd be hard-pressed imagining him getting beat by Sweet Pea or SRR in a h2h. Huki is right about this.

 

Arrrgggghhh... I meant to vote for Cotto in both options. Plus 1 please to Cotto beating pac p4p and h2h. Interesting thread BTW.

 

Totally agree with you here. RJJ is just a whole different level entirley. There is Elite, and then there is RJJ. The guy was literally God with boxing gloves on. EDIT.... Not on an entirely different level, that is too far. But definitely IMO the best h2h fighter i have ever seen.

 

You'd be hard pressed imagining him get beaten by a slickster like Pea, yet in reality he was given hell by a much lesser slickster like Montell Griffin?

He looked great at his best, but we didn't see enough of him vs top competition at it's best to fully make those kind of claims, especially when seeing how he struggled against a stylist like Griffin.

Even if you do consider Jones the best ever H2H, it wouldn't be by that kind of margin, especially not in a P4P sense. That is the kind of stuff spouted by people who don't have enough knowledge of the different fighters in different weight classes throughout history. I could think of many fights in P4P H2H terms that would be very difficult picks against Jones.

 

The same Montell Griffin that KTFO1'd?

 

This is exactly why Jones can lose a step and still make Joe Calzaghe his ***** with amazing ease:good

 

You have to take the 2nd fight into account though as well. He totally annihilated Griffin. What about looking at some of Pea's lessor performances too? I saw him get knocked down, and tagged plenty against Roger Mayweather, who clearly isn't as good p4p as RJJ. This at or around his natural weight to, unlike Jones vs Griffin who was fighting well above his natural weight of 160.

 

No, the one who was battling Jones on even terms and clearly giving him trouble, tagging him clean more than he'd ever been in his career. The Griffin of the first fight, trained by the genius Eddie Futch. Not the Griffin of the rematch after Futch had been canned for whatever ridiculous reason.