Why did Robinson fight Maxim?

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  1. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hello

    Why did Sugar Ray Robinson challenge Joey Maxim?

    Was he genuinely looking to move up to the light-heavyweight division and defend that title if he beat Maxim?

    Because his weight for the fight was still within the middleweight range.

    Was he looking to become a champion at 3 weights and then retire?

    Or did he retire because he nearly died of heat exhaustion and saw it as a good time to get out of boxing?

    Was he just attempting to win the light-heavyweight title to prove a point to himself before relinquishing the title and continuing to defend the middleweight title?

    I’d be interested in hearing people’s thoughts.

    Thanks
     
  2. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Plus, SRR's manager said: "If we beat Maxim, we are going after Marciano"......
    To which Robinson replied: "What? Are you trying to get me killed? ....
     
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  3. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Regarding Robinson fighting Marciano:

    There was this show in Chicago called "The Sports Writers on TV." It aired in the 1980s/early 90s. I watched it faithfully. They were pretty funny but also very well informed.

    It featured grizzled Chicago area sports writers like Bill Gleason and Bill Jauss. They included a young writer named Rick Telander (who is now an old guy) and others (Lester Munson often showed up). The host was Ben Bentley, who you'll see as the ring announcer in a lot of Friday Night Fight shows from the 1950s that were held in Chicago.

    Bentley was pretty old when he was on the show. And I remember when Leonard beat LaLonde in 1988 and won a portion of the light heavyweight title. They were discussing it, and wondering who Leonard would fight next.

    And Ben Bentley confidently said ... "MIKE TYSON!"

    And they all kind of looked at each other like he was crazy. And Bentley went on about how all these light heavys from the 50s would challenge heavyweights.

    It was a memorable show.

    It was funny how the mindset of the guy who was involved in boxing in the 1950s was so different than the guys who covered boxing in the 1980s.

    To Bentley, it was clear. Of course, Leonard would fight Tyson.
     
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  4. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Maybe Maxim was hand-picked like Ruiz was for Jones, in a way. He didn't try again once Archie Moore became the champion.
     
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  5. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Robinson fought Maxim because he viewed him stylistically low hanging fruit. Maxim wasn't a big puncher and wasn't a really threatening opponent. He was a jab and grab artist that Robinson (correctly) figured he could outjab and outspeed without taking too much punishment. I doubt he intended to defend the light heavyweight title unless some kind of a mega fight could be made and maybe even not then. He had no announced intentions of retiring before the fight but he was very very sick from heat exhaustion afterward. He felt, whether correctly or not, that he nearly died from it. The shock/scare of that prompted him to call it a day. He had always been enamored with song and dance acts (he had done this as an amateur on the street while boxing as an amateur) and really felt he could move into showbiz. Im not sure how he got that impression because he was absolutely awful at singing and wasn't great at dancing either. When reality set in and the Maxim fight was two years in his rearview mirror he decided to make a comeback.
     
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Leonard may as well had tried to wrestle an angry grizzly bear or fight a hungry tiger before fighting what was at that time, a prime Mike Tyson
     
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  7. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought Robinson was a pretty good dancer, he did a dance number on TV with Gene Kelly, but not good enough to make a career out of it. He'd get by at first simply as a curiousity 'Watch the legendary Sugar Ray dance!' etc
     
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  8. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So you think if Robinson had beaten Maxim he would have relinquished the light-heavyweight title and continued defending the middleweight title?
     
  9. Jel

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    There was definitely talk of Robinson and Moore meeting when they were middleweight and light-heavyweight champions respectively.
     
  10. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, I remember reading that he discussed it with Archie Moore and then felt betrayed by him when the fight didn't go ahead.

    I think this was around the time Robinson fought Basilio.
     
  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    I think that was in 1959, both were well past it by then, but I think Robinson may have believed Moore was ready to be taken then. What I meant was him challenging Moore in say 1952/53
     
  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    He was the dancing master
     
  13. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think a Moore vs Robinson title fight was ever on the cards that early.

    Robinson had retired by the time Moore won the title from Maxim.
     
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  14. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some time before the fight actually came off, there might have been some over-enthusiastic news people writing about Maxim, taking on either Marciano or Robinson. To be fair to the press, I think Maxim even suggested he might meet Marciano first; then Robinson. A prospective Maxim/Robinson bout was being mooted in early '51, as far as I can recall.
     
  15. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm surprised at that because Marciano wasn't yet the champion when Maxim fought Robinson.

    It's a risky move taking on a heavyweight contender when he might be able to fight the heavyweight champion instead whom he had beaten before, albeit controversially.

    Just as well it didn't happen. Marciano would have annihilated Maxim.
     
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