GGG vs Canelo 2 RBR

ellerbe · Sep 19, 2018

bandeedo said: ↑

canelo hit his gloves, his gloves hit his face, not clean. stop the other one right at time of contact and you can see ggg's face stretched from the force knocking his cheeks back.
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To me it looks like GGG was just pulling his head back to evade the jab. Even if you think it lands can we agree that it's not really a scoring jab? Did you re-watch 1:41 though? You say Canelo slipped it but it lands on his left eye clearly at 0.25 speed. Anyways, I feel like this is going to be rough arguing this one out since we can't even agree on the little things. I kinda expected you to concede 1:49 for not counting 1:41 and 1:36. Do you think this is a clear Canelo round and there's no case for GGG?

ellerbe · Sep 19, 2018

bandeedo said: ↑

canelo hit his gloves, his gloves hit his face, not clean. stop the other one right at time of contact and you can see ggg's face stretched from the force knocking his cheeks back.
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Anyways I gotta sleep brotha so I'll respond to your next post tomorrow. Don't want you to think I'm dipping out. Will be interested to see your argument with CST too. I'll argue against both of your points that I disagree on if you see certain rounds "clearly" for Canelo/GGG and I'll use my scorecard to argue against them. Number 1 thing I'll be looking for is consistency.

escudo · Sep 19, 2018

ellerbe said: ↑

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Just finished my article on it https://imgur.com/gallery/NkUf7CO not that you asked

bandeedo · Sep 19, 2018

ellerbe said: ↑

To me it looks like GGG was just pulling his head back to evade the jab. Even if you think it lands can we agree that it's not really a scoring jab? Did you re-watch 1:41 though? You say Canelo slipped it but it lands on his left eye clearly at 0.25 speed. Anyways, I feel like this is going to be rough arguing this one out since we can't even get agree on the little things. I kinda expected you to concede 1:49 for not counting 1:41 and 1:36. Do you think this is a clear Canelo round and there's no case for GGG?
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if i change mi criteria, canelo still outscores him by double, cause i got to give canelo the same gimmes in similar situations. i think this is a clear canelo rd and we can break it up into 30 second segments and see who wins what that way we can get a better grasp of who is not seeing the fight as it is actually unfolding. i have no fear of being wrong and i trust my arguments will be good enough to not leave doubts as to how fairly i scored this fight, whether im right or wrong.

madballster · Sep 19, 2018

Quite unbiased looking. I'm actually impressed with you, Ellerbe.

CST80 · Sep 19, 2018

@bandeedo @ellerbe

For the record, I have a 42 inch PC monitor. I didn't watch this on an iphone, ipad or small monitor.

2:42 Canelo lands left hook.
2:27 Canelo grazes GGG with jab.
2:42 Canelo lands left hook.
2:22 GGG lands a jab.
2:06 GGG lands a jab.
2:05 GGG lands a jab
2:00 GGG lands a jab.
1:56 GGG lands grazing jab.
1:49 Canelo lands a jab.
1:44 Canelo lands a jab.
1:41 GGG lands a jab.
1:36 GGG lands a jab.
1:35 GGG lands a jab.
1:20 Canelo lands jab.
1:20 GGG lands a jab.
1:09 GGG lands jab.
1:09 Canelo lands jab.
:57 Canelo lands jab.
:57 GGG lands jab.
:56 GGG lands jab.
:55 Canelo lands jab.
:54 Canelo lands jab.
:40 Canelo connects with left hook.
:31 Canelo lands jab.
:31 GGG lands jab
:24 GGG lands jab.
:07 GGG lands jab
:05 Canelo lands jab.

CST's stats.
15 connects from GGG
12 connects from Canelo

Compubox's stats
14 connects from GGG
12 connects from Canelo

I went back and watched it in sl-mo to make sure.

premiumtap · Sep 19, 2018

People need to stop with the notion that close fights can't be robberies. That's a whole lot of bunk man. As soon as one judge comes to the fight with the premeditation to score the fight in favor of a particular fighter, then it IS a robbery. The fact that the dynamics of the fight helped him doesn't change that.

elbonzoseco · Sep 19, 2018

there's also the fact betting sites had the odds during the 12th round 6:1 in favor of GGG, I think that's the most damning and unbiased fact you can get.

bandeedo · Sep 19, 2018

elbonzoseco said: ↑

there's also the fact betting sites had the odds during the 12th round 6:1 in favor of GGG, I think that's the most damning and unbiased fact you can get.
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i dont think you understand what those odds are saying about the fight,

bandeedo · Sep 19, 2018

CST80 said: ↑

@bandeedo @ellerbe

For the record, I have a 42 inch PC monitor. I didn't watch this on an iphone, ipad or small monitor.

2:42 Canelo lands left hook.
2:27 Canelo grazes GGG with jab.
2:42 Canelo lands left hook.
2:22 GGG lands a jab.
2:06 GGG lands a jab.
2:05 GGG lands a jab
2:00 GGG lands a jab.
1:56 GGG lands grazing jab.
1:49 Canelo lands a jab.
1:44 Canelo lands a jab.
1:41 GGG lands a jab.
1:36 GGG lands a jab.
1:35 GGG lands a jab.
1:20 Canelo lands jab.
1:20 GGG lands a jab.
1:09 GGG lands jab.
1:09 Canelo lands jab.
:57 Canelo lands jab.
:57 GGG lands jab.
:56 GGG lands jab.
:55 Canelo lands jab.
:54 Canelo lands jab.
:40 Canelo connects with left hook.
:31 Canelo lands jab.
:31 GGG lands jab
:24 GGG lands jab.
:07 GGG lands jab
:05 Canelo lands jab.

CST's stats.
15 connects from GGG
12 connects from Canelo

Compubox's stats
14 connects from GGG
12 connects from Canelo

I went back and watched it in sl-mo to make sure.
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i will be back tomorrow with a reply, but i can tell that you scored almost everything that was thrown, whether you are sure it connected or not. that seems to be the problem with a lot of the scoring for this fight.

elbonzoseco · Sep 19, 2018

bandeedo said: ↑

i dont think you understand what those odds are saying about the fight,
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I'm not a betting man, enlighten me then.

CST80 · Sep 19, 2018

bandeedo said: ↑

i will be back tomorrow with a reply, but i can tell that you scored almost everything that was thrown, whether you are sure it connected or not. that seems to be the problem with a lot of the scoring for this fight.
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Nope, like I said, I went back and checked, and in some cases double checked in slo-mo, all of those were connects, some not insanely impactful, but connects regardless.

MorvidusStyle · Sep 19, 2018

Most unbiased poster? Or most laughable fraud? Let's take a look at the evidence.

In a gush of palpable 'mixed-heritage' pride, this goon uploads an Afro-asiatic female tennis player as his thumbnail on a BOXING site, in fact crowns her champion before she even won the US Open, so excited was he at her success ... all because he shares a similar Afro-asiatic genetic mix. I repeat, on a boxing site he does this, not even on WTAequalprizemoneyfor****.com, but on a boxing site, where there is absolutely no reason to use a tennis player's image ever. The most transparent 'identity' tribalism I've ever seen on this place and with a straight face the individual claims he has no bias.

Verdict: most laughable fraud.

uppercut_to_the_body · Sep 19, 2018

MorvidusStyle said: ↑

Most unbiased poster? Or most laughable fraud? Let's take a look at the evidence.

In a gush of palpable 'mixed-heritage' pride, this goon uploads an Afro-asiatic female tennis player as his thumbnail on a BOXING site, in fact crowns her champion before she even won the US Open, so excited was he at her success ... all because he shares a similar Afro-asiatic genetic mix. I repeat, on a boxing site he does this, not even on WTAequalprizemoneyfor****.com, but on a boxing site, where there is absolutely no reason to use a tennis player's image ever. The most transparent 'identity' tribalism I've ever seen on this place and with a straight face the individual claims he has no bias.

Verdict: most laughable fraud.
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Are you okay?

Barrera · Sep 19, 2018

ellerbe said: ↑

R1-10/9 Close GGG. Neither landed any meaningful punches. Canelo landed some grazing power shots but GGG outlanded him with clean jabs. The best punch is probably GGG snapping Canelo's head back with a jab at the end of R1. Canelo did land a left hook but I couldn't tell if it was clean. Wouldn't argue if you had it for Canelo.
10-9 GGG

R2-10/9 Clear Canelo. GGG had his moments in the beginning of the round landing a nice uppercut. Canelo answers back by faking a hook to the body and smashing GGG's face with a massive hook. He also lands a 3 punch combo and some body shots that hurt me watching it. GGG had his moments though, it wasn't completely dominant but Canelo clearly won the round.
19-19

R3-10/9 Close Canelo. It seemed like GGG landed more but Canelo landed some good clean body shots and the best headshot with an uppercut. I edged it for him because he was the ring general. Wouldn't be mad if you gave it to GGG.
28-29

R4-10/9 Clear GGG. Canelo has his moments with body shots but GGG's uppercut in the beginning of the round clearly separated the round. Canelo did well controlling the ring and pushing GGG back though.
38-38

R5-10/10 This round was a hard one to judge. GGG was dominating until Canelo lands a massive right hand. By far the most meaningful punch in the round. GGG those land a lot more punches than Canelo but I couldn't give it to him since they weren't that effective. He lands some hooks, straights and uppercuts.
48-48

R6-10/9 Canelo. Canelo lands the big power shots while GGG lands mostly jabs.
57-58

R7-10/9 Canelo close. This was a hard round for me to score. I could not tell if a lot of Canelo's shots were landing due to angles and GGG did seem to outland him. But Canelo's ring generalship won him that round for me.
66-68

R8-10/9 GGG close. Another hard round to score. Canelo clearly dominated the first minute but I felt like GGG's punches seem to affect Canelo way more though it could be due to fatigue. It could definitely go to Canelo too.
76-77

R9-10/9 Canelo. GGG definitely landed his fair share of shots but Canelo lands the most effective ones.
85-87

R10-10/9 GGG clear. GGG lands the most effective shots in this round. Possibly his best round. Canelo looking a bit tired and missing a lot.
95-96

R11-10/9 GGG close. This round was way closer than I thought. Everyone was talking about how 10-11 was clear GGG but Canelo gets in some very clean power shots.
105-105

R12-10-10 EVEN.
115-115

I felt like a total cop out scoring the 12th even since it was the deciding round but scoring it either way made me feel a bit biased. GGG landed the best shot in the round but Canelo landed more consistent power shots.

Robbery? Nope. Close fight that could have gone either way? Yup.

Case dismissed.
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With regards to the 12th could you use the other 2 scoring criteria to come up with a winner of the round and fight

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