Is Bob Fitzsimmons still a top 30 all time heavyweight?

Right and I told you it is head to head. The question wasn't pound for pound do you think Bob would be a top 30 heavyweight was it? The point is which people like you don't seem to grasp. Fitzsimmons wasn't a heavyweight by modern standards. He was only considered a heavyweight for that eras standards. But even if you wanted to compared him to modern middlewieghts he wouldn't be ranked. The talent pool and skill level is on a whole different level compared to back then.

So the answer a real boxing can would give you is no Bob Fitzsimmons isn't a heavyweight so he isn't a top 30 heavyweight. You see how easy that is? Too be a modern heavyweight you have to be 205 pounds I believe and fight guys who are modern sized heavyweights.

 

Good story then you realize there are records of his weight. Bob weighed as low as 150 [url]http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/010552[/url] Nice try though casual fan. Then you realize there is a thing called the internet and you can check stuff there. Casual fan if you don't beat modern sized heavyweights and you aren't a modern sized heavyweight then you can't be a all time great heavyweight. Bob Fitzsimmons could only be considered a great in his own era but not a all time great. But there is no point in explaining to casual fans like you.

 

Dude are you on drugs?
Janitor has been here for over a dozen years & has 58K + posts.
He clearly has a deep kowledge of the fights game going back to the early days.
You may differ with him on how well the older fighters would do head to head-& I agree with some of your conclusions-but to call him a "casual" is completely irrational.

Maybe you are being hyper-aggressive because you are new here & trying to "make your bones" as if this is some kind of adolescent male way to assert dominance.
But Janitor is a gentleman & does not deserve your rudeness.
You should apologize.

Especially since this is one of his threads.
And he is entitled to set the conditions any way he likes-he makes the question.
He did not say it was pound for pound-though he is entitled to-he set the standard based upon accomplishments. Which is his right.

Now you saying he would not even be a ranked MW is an absurd overstatement.
But you are entitled to an extreme opinion.
Just be decent about it.
He is not engaging you on how good Ruby Red would be today...Because you are highjacking his thread with a question he did NOT ASK.

Also a small point: that box rec hyperlink does not appear to list his weight, as per their custom.
Did we miss something?
Where do you ever see him listed at 150?
For Corbett he seems to be 156 1/2.
And you Google his weight you get 169, I have heard 165-his most common size I believe.
You made a very specific claim; where is the evidence?

 

Using your criteria most definitely.

 

The poster who makes the thread is fully entitled to stipulate his own criteria, if you don't like it ,don't respond.

 

You're really an obnoxious prat aren't you.

 

Or better yet you could just not respond to me. You ever think about that?

 

I'm responding to your unnecessary rudeness to another poster,there's simply no need for it.

 

Dude you could watch a sport or be a part of forum for 100 years and still not know what you are talking about.
If you think boxers from the 1920s are as skilled as boxers are today then yeah you in the same boat as that kid. Another casual boxing fan who needs a new sport to follow.

I told you a fact. Being a 160 pound fighter or less doesn't make you heavyweight by modern standards. So no matter what Bob did it only meant he was good in his era. Being good in your era does not equate to being a all time great. Can you understand that? That is like saying because a track in field running from the 1890s was good for his era then it must mean he is good compared to modern runners.

Bob was a middleweight boxer who by modern standards would be a club fighter with his limit skills. He was only good for his joke era and if you think anything differently then you are casual fan. Also casual fan I just put up a link. Bob Fitzsimmons weighed 148 against Dick Ellis. This is another way I can tell you are just a casual fan. When somebody gives you factual numbers you still don't want to believe it. [url]http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/010552[/url]

 

Maybe a top 30 PfP, but not heavy. His accomplishments were winning titles in three divisions.

 

yes, simply on sheer ability to keep winning title at HW, as a little man. BUt anyone can see your thread has a fair case.

 

all the chubb in the world wont stop BobFitz from his uncanny knack of unlocking your chin.

 

Weren't you banned for this behaviour under the name Black Superman and another alias?