Victor Conte:”What Billy Joe Saunders took is ten fold more powerful than what Canelo took”

Bro you could be an expert and be 100% right, but on this forum I get told a million different things. This topic isn't subjective, there is an actual factual answer to it. I'd like someone to provide sources to back what they're saying or provide sources of expert opinion.

I know I came off as a *****, it wasn't my intention.

 

Yes it was your intention, let’s be truthful for once on this forum.

Start taking responsibility for your posts rather than barking at others and then claiming you never barked.

 

You don't care though. You want information that already fits what you're trying to insinuate. It's obvious when someone gives you information and then you completely dismiss it because you didn't like it. If I agreed with the point of this you would have responded entirely different.

 

I'd consider what you gave me "opinion" more than information. I consider information more factual. What you have said could have been facts, but I want it backed up bro. I just value an experts opinion over a layman. You agree that you're a layman right? I mean for all I know your profession is related to PEDs.

If you agreed with me I would have responded differently because you would have been agreeing with an expert.

I'm pretty consistent with my standards.

I hold experts opinion over laymen when it comes down to factual ****. However if a layman provides sources that debunks what the expert says I will side with them. Of course if that source can be interpreted by a layman.

 

Clen isn't a masking agent. That is a fact. That isn't how the drug works.

PEDs aren't actual as simple as "This drug is better" most of the time. These drug do different things and are more effective at different doses so your question can't be answered anyway because the terms aren't defined.

Oxilofrine is commonly found in substances. It is often not declared. This is a fact. Same deal with Clen being given to animals. Same with SARMs like Ostarine.

Clen, when used illicitly, is taken in combination with a lot of other drugs. The reason I know more about Clen is because it is a common PED stack because of how easily obtained it is and how many things it helps with. I'm not as familiar with Oxilofrine but I do know that you can get this by accident. I'm quite sure that isn't the case with either guy but that's just speculation. I just assume that these guys aren't stupid and wouldn't stumble across anything like this.

You're going to ignore all of this again though.

 

That's all cool. But I'm not going to take anything you said as facts without sources. You said I'm going to ignore this but why should I believe you or any laymen who disagree with you. Maybe Clen isn't a masking agent. Maybe it is. I'm not going to take any laymen's word as fact.

You seem like you know things, or you're acting like you do. So is Oxilofrine found in nasal decongestants?

 

It is generally found in dietary supplements. I've never heard of it being found in nasal spray. The weird thing about this is that even if it did come from nasal spray Saunders would have had no way of knowing that is what is was from unless they tested it.

 

Oxilofrine is allowed out-of-competition in the U.K. however BJS Andrade is in Boston, USA so it wouldn't be the UK policy that would affect Saunders, it would be the Commonwealth of Massachusetts's Athletic Commision's policy on oxilofrine and whether they allow it out-of-competition like the U.K. does.

Ever since this broke I continue to hear Saunders defenders talk about the out-of-competition policy on oxilofrine but fail to address the Massachusetts commission's policy on that. I haven't really heard anybody get into the nitty gritty on this, I don't know if people are just forgetting that the fight is scheduled for Boston and not the UK when they talk about the UK policy on this or maybe they are just assuming that the Massachusetts commission also allows oxilofrine out-of-competition . (has anyone looekd into this ? )

There will probably be a hearing scheduled by the Massachusetts commission to determine if Saunders is punished or stripped by the WBO. But while we wait for that we should look at their policy (similar to how everybody looked at Nevada's updated policy on strict liability when Canelo had the hearing which had a lot to do with him being suspended) . It's unclear how Massachusetts will handle this or if they are not as strict as Nevada, but I think many are assuming that the U.K.'s out-of-competition policy is the same as it is in the US . Hearn was interviewed and said he was 50 / 50 on if Saunders will be punished / stripped or the fight cancelled. He seemed to not know what to expect was gonna happen but made it clear it's about how Massachusetts handles it not what's in the U.K. policy and what they allow out-of-competition.

 

she needs to work on her interview skills or getting some bigger fun bags

 

He's dirty, he's a cheater and his far, and recent past behavior suggests that he is a complete *****.

It really isn't much more complicated than that.

 

Massachusetts follows WADA so Saunders should get his license and the decision will go to the WBO.

The problem is the difference between VADA and WADA. Two standards, one of which is globally accepted, the other which is used sometimes but not all the time within boxing. It's a mess and it's going to lead to more instances like this.

Some questions which occurred to me from this. Why is a private US company making up different rules from those which the rest of the world are following? Why is Victor conte opining on this when he has links to VADA? Is he being paid for these interviews?

 

I thought this was interesting on VADA and Wada

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article19788.html

Maybe we should discuss in a separate thread as this one is about BJS and obviously people have a position on him already.

 

Everyone hates a drug cheat until it happens to a fighter they support lol Then the conspiracy theories and far reaching excuses come out.

 

The issue is with the rules for me. Has he taken something to gain an advantage to weight cutting quite probably. Is it cheating no as it’s within UK rules. It’s not the moral thing to do on BJS part though. All rules need to change to one set of rules worldwide.

 

Conte is the same guy who Barry Bonds became real close with in the early 2000’s wasn’t he?? Like between 2000-2005. Around the time frame that Bonds shoe and hat size mysteriously went up a couple of sizes in his late 30’s. I believe he was also the same guy that supplied Marion Jones HGH and other things.