Did Marvis Frazier taint Joes legacy?

I really dont think it factors into anyones opinion of Joe, at least on here. Theyre different people, at the end of the day. Have the endeavors of Chavez Jr "tainted" the legacy of JCC? That camp may have more a point, if only in terms of legacy.

 

Lol I think this is a bit of a reach

 

Prime Joe went 1-2 against Ali, and 0-2 against Foreman. One of the 2 losses against Ali with luck, might have gone Joe's way too. I think most fans aren't influenced by a "Marvis" relation.

 

One of the most ignorant threads I've seen in some time. Bravo.

 

One has nothing to do with the other. When discussing Joe I dont even think of Marvis.
Marvis comes from a long line of athletes where the son just was not as good as the father. That's all there is to it.

 

This is all that needed to be said here. Well stated.

 

The same number of people who, when discussing Joe Frazier, start thinking of Joe Frazier Jr and Jacqui Frazier's fights.

ZERO.

Worst thread of the year nominee.

 

No way!

 

How can one fighter taint another fighter's legacy?

Anyway, considering Marvis had a fused neck and was injury prone he accomplished quite a lot. He beat James Smith, who crushed Bruno and almost did the same to Tyson in the last round of their fight, but Smith figured out Tyson's weakness too late in the fight. Marvis also beat James Broad, who in my opinion was in the best shape of his career when he fought Marvis.


Also, How many ATG's with 10 fights of professional experience do you think would've beaten Holmes, who had 44 fights at the time and was a long time champion, since I can't think of one?

Marvis before he had his second corrective surgery on his neck was a nightmare for bigger heavyweights, since they had a hard time landing flush on him and he would just use punch volume to outpoint them. Marvis wasn't able to employ the same strategy against smaller more skilled guys like Tyson, Tillis, and Holmes, who had the hand speed to time Marvis for well timed uppercuts and counters.

Tyson on the otherhand was simply a bad style matchup for Marvis, since Marvis having a fused neck was extremely vulnerable to uppercuts and throwing well timed uppercuts was Tyson's bread and butter. Even Joe knew and admitted it was a bad matchup for Marvis, but said the payday for Marvis made it worth it.

 

course not.

 

I remember being disappointed when I heard that Frazier had a son that fought, only to check boxrec and have a 1st round knockout to a guy like Larry Holmes (who's a great boxer no doubt, but not exactly heavy handed).

I must say, his 6 knockdowns at the hand of George Foreman is what underrates him the most. I still rank him 10th/11th, i flip flop him and tyson

 

He had two sons and a daughter who boxed.

 

No Marvis was his own man as Joe was his