Your Unshakeable Boxing Opinions

Tim Bradley deserved to win first Pacquiao fight - watched twice and scored same 115-113 Bradley. Thought Manny threw a lot of leather that didn't land scoring punches and biased commentary helped sway opinion.

 

My unshakeable opinion is that Sugar Ray Leonard is a twat.

 

I am of the opinion that the Korean Hawk was an awesome fighter.

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Alright I still think Hatton could have beat Floyd if Cortez was not the ref

 

And he stopped the unstoppable Jose Luis Ramirez.

 

With a single body shot. While old, blown up and past it. It's unbelievable.

People want to talk about Julio Cesar Chavez, what did he ever do half that impressive with a body shot? Olivares was one of a kind.

 

Is this right for sure Russ? I'd heard Olivares hurt him toward the end of the first and battered him in the second until the towel was thrown in. Think he was 19 at the time.

 

Mexican fighters age in dog years. 19 is like prime for a lower weight Mexican fighter. Alejandro Gonzalez syndrome.

I had read he did him in with a single bodyshot. Maybe I'm incorrect or the thing I read was?

 

I'll find the account later after work Russ.

 

Round 1,

Ruben came out boxing and moving, using his left jab. Jose Luis slowly 'stalked' while reaching with his right
hand from his southpaw stance.

Nothing much exciting through the first 2:20, until Ruben started to 'bait' Jose Luis into throwing punches.
And when Jose Luis attempted a few left hand leads, Ruben timed one and countered with a hard overhand right
that landed 'flush' on Ramirez' jaw at the (2:43 Mark).

Jose Luis' legs 'buckled', and he backed up into Ruben's corner, where Ruben opened up with a barrage. Jose Luis took
about a dozen solid punches before being saved by the bell.

Jose Luis walked back to his corner on 'pins and needles'.

Round 2,

Ruben being the smart veteran, rushed out quickly, and went right after Jose Luis by bombing away. Ruben drove
Jose Luis into the ropes and threw a barrage that had him 'dazed', and nearly dropped him with a wide left hook.

Jose Luis tried to hold on, but Ruben fought him off, and threw a bombardment of punches that spun Jose Luis into
the far right neutral-corner. After a 20-Second non-stop barrage, Jose Luis Ramirez' corner threw in the towel, and the bout
was stopped by TKO at 1:17 of Round 2.

 

Monzon was over rated.

 

If there indeed was no body shot, than an old blown up and faded Olivares still bombed out one of the sturdiest chins of the past 30 years in under 2 rounds.

The Chavez comparison still works, for me. Who did Chavez ever body of significance over two short rounds, especially when he was years past his best?

 

* The late 19th century boxing style was not pants-on-head stupid for its time period's rules

* We know more about proper training than we did 100 years ago

* You can't create a special carve-out for Jack Johnson being competitive today and everyone else from his era sucking

* Bob Fitzsimmons and Barbados Joe Walcott were the same man

* The era vs era debate can ultimately be solved-- if it's ever solved -- only by looking at the wider social and demographic contexts that produced and trained the fighters.

* Foreman's technique was embarrassingly bad in his first career. The closest champion to Foreman's level of technical awfulness was Max Baer (who was worse).

* Film alone isn't as useful as many seem to assume it is.

* Far too many of the old timers look embarrassingly bad on film. And I'm talking awful; Foreman-level technique.

 

That's right Russell. The bout was still a standout achievement for the Atomic Ruben Olivares. That 1st round right to the chin made it a "virtual" 1 punch knockout IMO.

 

You know he must of really beat his ass too, it's not like a 19 year old Mexican kid who's 5 years into his career with a 43-1 record has never seen any adversity before. Really wish there was some footage of that one, but there's seemingly little chance of that...

Olivares was one of a kind. Makes me long for sensational lower weight talents of his stature again and makes me wish that current fighters like Inoue, Roman Gonzalez and Srisaket Sor Rungvisai can possibly have even a fraction of the kind of career that Rock'a'bye Ruben did. Plenty of sensational lower weight fighters still developing as I type this, so we'll see.