Prime Lennox Lewis vs Anthony Joshua.

It's safe to say you're on the Joshua bandwagon I guess huh? lol...talking primes I don't see Joshua beating Lewis, Tyson, either Klitschko, or Tua on a good night(the Tua from the Ibeabuchi fight for instance...WTF is Joshua gonna do with that guy)...also wouldn't write off Golota if he doesn't have a mental breakdown or maybe even Mercer if the stars aligned.

 

Compare footage and you see AJ has a poor and infrequent jab, you see he is stiff and flat-footed,

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each fight Joshua has he does better against Lennox, but Lennox might stop him in 4 or 5.

 

This.. On form and focused LL blows Joshua away imo too

 

If they fought 10 times Joshua might sneak one upset win if he gets a bored Lewis.

Joshua is still improving but I think he's just about hit his ceiling. He is now a formidable hw but the flaws (he will always have) of no head movement, poor footwork and his natural stiffness would spell doom for him vs Lewis. Lennox is simply better in EVERY aspect.

Povetkin isn't no Lewis, neither is Wlad. Joshua would find this out anywhere between two and seven.

 

Christ...

Lewis.

 

haha okay... no names.. no analysis?

cool bro... lets believe blindly.

 

Yeah he's jab is weak.. and he's movement is not hes strongest feature but its far from.flat.footed... a flat footed guy would have struggled to win the fights hes won...

Povetkin and parker moved around like busy bees and Joshua turned and countered in good time. Hes no Ali... but he's no robotic klitckho either

Ive never known lewis to be such an amazing mover either.. he gets hit when he finds a man with similar reach and a boxing brain.

 

Where is the footage and evidence that Lennox is a better mover than Joshua? Grasping at straws here man..
Lennox is great... but he's movement isnt any better than AJ (Bruce Lee Hero syndrome here).

I can't fathom how you determine a persons ceiling.. I can determine that Joshua can't get any taller.. but he can get stronger.. improve his skill... improve his movement and speed... anyone can achieve this basic ability of learning and progressing at the tender age of 28.

He might not even have peaked yet who knows.

 

If McCall and Rahman could defeat Lewis then AJ has a good chance.

 

Joshua isn't flat footed you're right there he's actually quite light on his feet when he does move but the thing is he just doesn't move enough. Lewis is almost always circling his opponent, when he isn't he's usually setting a trap by trying to draw a lead. Joshua in comparison stands right in front of his opponents too much, he doesn't create angles or pivots off with enough frequency like Lewis.

In fact it's much like the jab. Joshua has a good jab, heavy, thudding, accurate but he doesn't use it enough and it's less versatile than Lewis and his footwork is similar, he does move well but not frequently enough and in a more predictable pattern.

Lewis got out boxed twice in his career, early on vs Bruno who had a very good long jab and Vitali who was taller and moved as well if not better than him. But he was never out boxed by someone like Povetkin who was so small and with no real jab. Lewis would of out boxed Povetkin with ease, small left hookers like Povetkin, Lewis usually beat on cruise control like Tua and Morrison. Povetkin was better than them but I doubt he'd win more than a couple of rounds vs Lewis.

 

If you can't see the difference between their movement then honestly you DKSAB.

But I agree Joshua can improve as I said before at this age and stage of his career Joshua is ahead of Lewis and Wlad. Joshua at the moment isn't as good as either of them, but the potential is there, he might never get to that level but he might, Wlad and Lewis didn't peak until their 30's, we might not have seen even an 80% Joshua yet.

 

Morrison had a good punch, but Povetkin is far superior in speed, explosiveness, volume of punches, accuracy, combinations and more adept at fighting tall men. Taller even than any of Morrison's opposition. Povetkin has made it he's hobby to adapt to tall, skilled guys in the 6'6 to 6'9 range.

Tua is far shorter and one dimensional against tall opponents, he cannot close any distance or land any meaningful punches to cause a threat... Povetkin was beautiful with his combinations on a Joshua at 4 inches taller. Landing with pristine accuracy and effectiveness. Additionally being 6'2 helps and with a longer reach than Tua/ Tyson also makes it easier.

So I'm not sure Lewis ever fought anyone near Povetkin style, a decorated fighter that is adept at fighting taller, skilled opposition. Something Tua and Tyson struggled with when fighting the likes of Lewis. I am inclined to believe Povetkin would have landed the same on Lennox, albeit slightly less, as he did on Joshua from proven experience.

But then again, I take my hat off to Lennox durability, so I am in no way saying Povetkin would beat Lennox, Pov would get KOed.

I guess we need to define movement maybe... are we talking about ability to pivot??? Light feet? Where does Lennox excel in movement?

Yeah I agree about Joshua not reaching peak yet, he's definitely become a seasoned pro though but as you say Joshua is ahead at this career stage, as compared with Lennox/Wlad.

 

In all fairness, Lennox switched off in the Rahman fight and lost to himself.

AJ has never switched off, but he has been overzealous and got caught which is an immaturity/ learning curve thing.

 

LL for me has the best resume at HW after Ali (you could argue LL was a more complete overall boxer). I am big fan of AJ and I do think he gets undderated on hardcore forums due to his popularity commercially, however i certainly heavily favour LL in this. AJ would struggle with LL's superior jab.