Examples of Joe Louis' chin?

I took his post at face value. I only remember Louis getting clearly wobbled one time but there are other arguable/borderline instances too.

The obvious one: https://streamable.com/xh862

ambiguous: https://streamable.com/83bsi

 

By the way, watching this highlight reminded me of another bizarre boxing myth: The cat-mouse tale that Conn won by running and then got stopped as soon as he got greedy. He used a lot of lateral movement but he also stood toe to toe and slugged it out plenty.

 

No, the sign of a good chin is the ability to take hard punches without going down, not the ability to take punches off historically regarded fighters who may or may not have hit hard. Resumes and historic standing do not equate to raw punching power, as I, and many other posters, have pointed out to you numerous times over the years. At this point I can only assume you don't understand the distinction or don't care to. At any rate I'm not going to go over it again.

Suffice to say that Sanders and Brewster both hit extremely hard. That they were not considered "great" fighters is neither here nor there for the purposes of the above point.

Yes you can. It's done all the time.

Does anyone seriously question Rocky's chin, P4P?

I'm saying he presented a set of attributes that Louis would have found extremely difficult to deal with. "Technically superior" is a wooly term that doesn't mean much without further definition. Foreman was perfectly technical enough to impose his style on world class opponents like Norton and Frazier, and would (IMO only) have done so with the somewhat robotic Louis as well.

I don't think you quite understand the crux of what made Foreman what he was. He wasn't dangerous simply because he hit hard, but because he had absolutely dominant command of the ring. Fighters were forced to fight at his range and found themselves quickly closed off and backed against the ropes, where Foreman would go to work with punishing uppercuts and bodyshots that, coupled with his wrestling and shoving, were exceedingly hard to move out of the way of. He wasn't a pretty fighter, but it's a mistake to confuse that with lack of ringcraft.

 

It's equally shallow to say that Louis had a good chin because he was only ever stopped by great fighters.

Schmeling wouldn't crack a best punchers list of any note in the HW division at any time in the past thirty years. I'd be doubtful about Marciano as well.

 

Sounds like this Joe Louis bloke was lucky to ever hear a final bell let alone win a fight. Can't have been much chop.

 

Foreman understood the geometry of the ring extremely well.

 

That's a great way to put it. He understood precisely how to keep distance and cut off the ring. It's one of his most overlooked attributes.

 

That's a bit of a silly overreaction. Louis was obviously world class, but he was, yes, lucky to have fought against a relatively poor batch of heavyweight hitters that could have seriously tested his chin.

 

Louis defended the title umpteen times over umpteen years yet reading some of the "stuff" in here you'd think his chin was china. Stopped twice in 69 fights fights, once pre peak and once when way past it by an ATG in the making. He fought the best of a decade and a half. I can't accept the guy didn't take his share of big punches over that massive period of time against that level of fighter.

 

Neither would Ali. And that’s exactly who KO’d George Foreman, who had one of the best chins of all time.

Denoting someone’s chin because they got knocked out by a non elite puncher shows an elementary understanding of boxing at best. We both know you’re better than that.

 

He was stopped twice, the first time after multiple right hands had landed,the second when he was washed up and his legs gave out on him. He wasn't Chuvalo or McCall but his chin was pretty decent.
Holyfield had a top chin,do you agree? Bowe dropped and stopped him, was Bowe one of the top punchers of the last 30 years?
Holyfield himself wasn't a concussive puncher yet he floored Mercer ,something Lewis couldn't do.
Some things aren't so neat and tidy that they can be accepted or dismissed without any reservations.

 

Have these people ever watched Louis fights? He took a tremendous amount of big blows throughout his entire career by guys you might not care about but who could actually punch.

One of his best traits was remaining consistent, disciplined, with an unchanging demeanor, even when getting hit. Galento lifted him off his feet with a hook and he remained standing, returning punches right away.

You couldn’t hit Louis and have him wobbling and plodding around the ring for a whole round trying to survive and regain his balance like most fighters. When you hit Louis hard, chances are he’s coming right back at you. And it takes a really good chin to sustain powerful punches without letting it change you stance, your style, your pacing, your strategy, your composure, etc.

That’s what Louis was. Composed. Even when eating huge punches.

 

I don't doubt that Louis had a perfectly fine chin for the standards of his era. The trouble comes when applying that to a broader canvas, since the level of fighter he fought wasn't particularly hard hitting when compared with the fighters from the 70s onwards. And while you can claim that he was only ever stopped twice at tails ends of his career as evidence of his durability, the fact that during that time Galento, Braddock, Schmeling, Conn and several others all hurt him doesn't bode well for his chances of taking some of the bombs those later fighters threw.

Out of interest, and more to gauge your stance on the issue than to deflect the subject, what is your opinion of Wlad's chin? Both for the standards of his era and, say, compared to Louis et al?

 

Bowe was a decent puncher with a strong workrate. Those two things contributed to a good portion of his success, along with the height differential allowing him to get maximum torque on the uppercut that put Evander on unsteady legs.

But yes, Holy proved to have a top chin by taking some of the best punches from some of the hardest punchers in HW history. You don't need to pick specific examples to bolster that statement up. The overall pattern speaks for itself. That's not a claim that can be applied to Louis over the course of his career.

 

Hahahaha JT, considering the Bomber wasn’t that brilliant defensively and was only stopped twice in a very long career I reckon he had a pretty decent set of whiskers.

He reminds me a lot of Felix Trinidad in the fact that when knocked down he normally got up and won the fight.

I think a lotta fans don’t quite realise how hard good heavyweights hit, any man will get rubberised if he is hit with a perfectly timed hard punch ( or combination ) that he doesn’t see from a 200 pound plus man.

Even Chuvalo turned away and backed off holding his face in agony when he was injured by a whipping left hook against Frazier.

Cheers Mate.