Controversial wins that you agreed with.

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  1. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just realised I don't even know if I scored the first Toney-Griffin fight or the second :lol: pretty sure it was the second, but both of them need a look over
     
  2. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I believe that Jimmy Young deserved to win vs both Ali and Norton.
     
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  3. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thought Ken edged Jimmy, though it is one of those fights you look again, it is a different look. Have to look at Ali-Young again, but ducking out of the ropes, not cool.
     
  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No offense but I am not sure how you can agree or disagree with a fight result that was not filmed and that you have not seen?
     
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  5. janitor

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    You do your best to form an opinion based on eye witness accounts.

    Sometimes you come away thinking that a decision was reasonable by the standards of the day, and sometimes you conclude that it probably wasn't.
     
  6. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But what if the predominant view is one sided, and your own eye test does not add up..,

    Just an example of 2 recent fights.
    I scored Alvarez vs GGG 1 a draw and the 2nd fight for Canelo by 1....off of the decisions I agree with the outcome, off of public opinion it is 75% to GGG winning. If I read contemporary articles on this fight, 75+ percent of stories are on bad decision, robbery, needed reforms in scoring etc. if I only read the accounts even credible ones, I would likely feel the same way. It is the eye test that allows me to agree or disagree with a general consensus.
     
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  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Young won both IMO
     
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  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    No doubt you would come down very heavily on the side of Golovkin based on contemporary reports, but that is besides the point.

    Just because you don't have film, it doesn't mean that you don't try to work out who deserved the decision.
     
  9. thesnowman22

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    I am not quite ready to give him the win he got, but I had Bradley-Paq I even at 114-114. I think Lederman's scoring and the announcers giving it credence poisoned people's view.
     
  10. PhillyPhan69

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    I have always (although it has been a few years) felt like JCC vs Whitaker was a draw and that the final decision was just. But I do think (irrespective of if anyone agrees with this particular example) that announcers and crowd noise can and does impact the way people view and score fights.
     
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  11. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I disagree. All that can be worked out given what you've just said is what other people think. It can't in any way speak to your own opinion of the bout.

    Newspapers had and have agendas, as do specific "eyewitnesses." Newspapers especially, as reporting had a far more local and regional slant then. The world at large did.