So Wilder will be the lineal champion when he wins in a few weeks?

He beats Fury so therefore he become the lineal champ right? Must be a great day for Wilder fans when he wins. He will be crowned not only the lineal but TRUE Champ.

 

No.

Fury was inactive for far too long and tested positive for a banned substance and suspended/banned, so his claim to lineal Champion was gone a long time ago.

 

Not sure what being lineal really does for him, it's just an arbitrary title bestowed upon someone which rarely has much meaning or worth. I mean when Briggs as lineal champion for Lewis did he deserve and get 50/50, nope he did not and so he got the smaller share of the purse.

Purpose of this fight was to make Wilder a PPV star and gain some leverage in negotiations with Hearn which currently they do not have. Simply beating Fury alone will not be the measure of success for this fight, though that's a pretty decent accomplishment on it's own. He has to show he can sell in the US and then take a bigger cut vs Joshua.

 

Depends on how you look at it. But it tells you about the worth "lineal" has had over the last 30 or so years.
Even Tyson wasn't lineal for 4 fights while being undisputed heavyweight champ, and some of the clear division leaders never actually were "lineal". Then there's the whole discussion to where one lineage ends and the next one starts. Is Fury actually still lineal, and with that said was he ever in the first place.
He beat the division's clear #1, but that's not the same as beating the lineal champ. Was Wlad ever lineal besides being the consensus champion?

So, whatever your opinion, lineal is a gimmick... not really saying anything about who's the man in the division. Whoever wins (I'm pretty sure it's Wilder) might or might not be the "lineal champ". I already know both the GBP Magazine as the TBRB have their championships still open after the fight.

 

Here's the simple question to ask: Would Sefer Seferi be considered lineal champion had he beaten Tyson Fury? Then why would Wilder?

 

Yes, Wilder will become the lineal & legitimate heavyweight champion of the world if he wins.

The one true ruler of the known universe.

The grand poo-bah of the heavyweight division. The big cheese.

Any idiot can win an alphabet belt. To legitimize a heavyweight championship reign, you have to go lineal.

It's why Mike Tyson fought Spinks & Lennox Lewis fought Briggs.

The great heavyweight champions of history were all lineal champions.

 

How much stock do you put in the Ring Magazine Belt? As long as AJ stays active and doesn't lose, a spokesman for Ring Mag has said that the belt cannot be contested for at HW unless AJ is competing.

 

simple as that.

 

Formally, yes. But it would be the same if, for example, Gvozdyk beats Stevenson...
I like the Ring magazine decision — they will not grant the Ring HW title to the winner of the Wilder vs. Fury fight and will wait till that person fights Joshua.

 

I'm a reasonably clever man but I have never been able to get my head around WTF the lineal champion actually is. And now it seems like only certain people are allowed to win it.

 

It's quite simple and can be formulated as "the man who beat the man". Fury beat Wlad and became the lineal HW champion. But then it got a little bit complicated. Because Tyson Fury is still unbeaten, but drugs, long inactivity, mental issues... So, is he the lineal champion now? Again, formally yes.

 

True, it's a bit of a mess actually.

Essentially it means "the man who beat the man, who beat the man..." etc.
Issue is that the longer boxing history moves on, the lineage gets broken more and more, so it's kinda hard to keep track of, and because broken lineages get reinstated in boardrooms or by a couple of "respected" boxing writers and such, who not always agree, the so called line gets very blurry indeed.
Just ask people if or when Wlad got upgraded to "lineal" champion, and you'll get a lot of different answers, even from the boxing media. Even Holmes' lineage by beating the shell of Ali has been a topic for discussion.

All in all it's just a question of interpretation, so understandable that people discuss it.

 

I don't know how serious we are supposed to take this "lineal title" when Fury was allowed to "keep it" during a 2 year drug ban.

 

Yes because Lineal means 'the guy who beat the guy' you cant change the rules when it suits you.

 

Exactly this. I understand the principle, just not the practise. After all the calculating, and arbitrariness, I think it's a slightly dubious honour anyway.