How is Usyk better than Canelo P4P?

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  1. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member Full Member

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    Bu ... bu ... but Usyk beat them all so it proves cruiser isn't strong!

    LOL
     
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  2. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Clenelo lost twice to GGG, and went life and death with Lara so how does he top any P4P list?
     
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  3. Manu Badu

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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First off his name is Canelo not "Clenelo" lmao. 2nd of all he didn't lose to GGG. Check the record books. "ohhh but the evil judges" "it was corruption" "Oscar paid them off" "Canelo gets favorable judges" *yawn* excuses excuses excuse. GGG lost, he deserved to lose twice but got gifted a draw in the first fight due to two judges not being able to appreciate the work Canelo was doing while fighting of the backfoot. Yes Canelo's output dropped in the middle rounds, but he still landed the better harder cleaner punches in those rounds making those rounds very debatable. Yes Byrd appreciated what Canelo did "too much" and gave Canelo too many close rounds, I recognize that and I'm not denying that. On the other hand, the other two judges didn't appreciate what Canelo was doing enough, and gave GGG too many close rounds. Somewhere in between Byrd's card and the other two judges is where the right score lies, but it is what it is. I've accepted the draw but you don't see me crying about it. The 2nd fight Canelo won fair and square.

    You can say Canelo went life and death with Lara, though I don't think he was in any real trouble in that fight. You can argue he didn't do enough to win, but at the same time Lara was "running" all fight Canelo, Canelo did what he could to cut off the ring and land the more eye catching shots. Very close fight, but undeniably a good performance from Canelo whether you thought he won or lost.

    There's no shame in having close fights with great fighters. It shows you're daring to be great. I don't think how Canelo fought GGG or Lara is worthy of criticism. They were close fights against great fighters. Those fights controverisal or not only enhance his resume and his P4P ranking. When you challenge yourself against top guys and you go the distance in fights that are "too close to call" you prove something, you prove that you belong at the top of the sport. Lesser men would have gotten KO'd by GGG or clearly outboxed by Lara. Canelo didn't let that happen and he deserves credit in each of those fights. *mic drop*
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Buddy, I know you're fixated on the 155, but it doesn't change the fact that Canelo beat Lara, whether it was in the margin of Middleweight or not. He's still one of the best 154-lbers out there and Canelo found a way to beat him. So that victory counts as far as his list of wins vs top 154-lbers. (even though the fight occurred 1 lb over, I'm not denying that it was technically at Middleweight, so no need to keep bringing that up)

    Why are you trying to get me to list who I think were his great wins at 154? So that if I bring up how he stopped Josesito Lopez, Kermit Cintron, Alfonso Gomez, etc etc you proceed to laugh at those wins and how bad you think those guys are? How about Lovemore Ndou? That's not a bad win, Ndou went the distance against a prime Cotto in a competitive fight. Ndou was never stopped in his entire career, has a lot of decision losses but many of those were vs big names. (Kell Brook, Cintron, Malignaggi x2 - 1 of those a split decision, Sharmba Mitchell, etc) So what now you're gonna start mocking Lovemore Ndou as not a good fighter or something?

    Face it, you're a massive Canelo hater. You won't give Canelo credit for fighting plenty of good (maybe not great) but many good solid opponents in his reign at 154. So go ahead start mocking fighters like Ndou, Cintron or all those guys Canelo beat if it makes you feel better. Canelo has a solid resume when it comes to the list of 154-lbers he fought and beat.
     
  6. ElCyclon

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    "went life and death" LOL


    Where the hell is that Most Overused Boxing Cliches thread when you need it.
     
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  7. BCS8

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    Clenelo was the guy bust twice for PEDs, right?

    That little ginger guy that may well have lost to Trout too?

    I'm not feeling the love either, man.
     
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  8. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm a canelo hater am I? Is it because I don't love ONE fighter as you do? No child, I've been a big fan of his since his HBO debut a decade ago. I just don't kiss ass the way you do.

    And now you think I am not giving him ANY credit? Wrong again newbie. I assign as much more realistic level of credence that you ever could, with your tongue halfway up canelo's ass.

    SO, you didn't even attempt to list these great wins at 154, and instead immediately went on the defensive about this comp at 154. That says quite a bit about you.

    I am aware that Canelo had a solid resume at 154. I didn't say other wise Mr. reading illiterate.

    But my job here is complete. You clearly watch ONE fighter. Hell, you thought Floyd mayweather invented the A side /b side argument!!! Wow!!!

    So cry all you want. But facts are facts, 155 is a MW fight.

    And BTW Newbie, Lovemore's success came at his lower weights, where he was much more effective, and fighting guys HIS SIZE. He was moved from147 (Where he was not even as effective as in his prior fights) to 154 to face Canelo, then went back to WW. Did you even know that child?
     
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  9. Wasteman

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    Usyk edges Canelo in my mind but not by a significant margin. Canelo is an elite boxer but Usyk appears to have the superior head/body movement of the two, as well as possessing a slightly higher ring IQ.
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Much better fighter and human being. In fact, I think Usyk is pretty much better at everything than Clenelo with the exception of being a repulsive subhuman ginger spastic, paying off judges, and jacking himself silly full of PEDs all 3 of which Clenelo is the undisputed P4P king of.
     
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  11. Gomo

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    Yes a bit, I mean from the total shut out he he gave gassiev to being outboxed for 4 rounds by Bellew. Bellew gassed badly after 4, I didn't see usyk boxing any better from 5 onwards, just Bellew became a lot worse.


    Of course he's still a great fighter, but breidis ran him close also, I'm not sure hes proved he's p4p better than Canelo yet, which is the point of the thread..

    Against gassiev he looked out of this world, against Bellew he looked human.
     
  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He made the A side b side terminology famous.
     
  13. ellerbe

    ellerbe It’s a Tank world Full Member

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    Gingers have no soul!
     
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  14. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "paying off judges" ? LOL

    Do you try hard to come off like an idiot or does it just come natural to you?
     
  15. BCS8

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    Yeah total exaggeration by Serge, Canelo never went anywhere NEAR judges with money!

    It was Oscar by wire transfer.
     
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