Rescoring De La Hoya-Trinidad....what is your new scorecard

I think Oscar will try to get a "Seniors' Tour" match with Teeto and limit the fight to 10 rounds. Ball shots will also be banned.

Oscar by points 6-3-1.

 

Been a while since I last watched it and I do want to review it, but always find better things to do - which is not saying much considering what a dull fight it was.

In any case: 116-112 DLH

Rounds 1,10,11 and 12 to Tito, the rest going to DLH. From memory I thought a couple of the rounds were close and could have gone Tito's way, but there's no way he did more than earn a draw on a VERY generous appraisal.

BTW, whilst watching it live I was ecstatic when DLH finally lost, even though I thought he did enough to win. Kind of a karma thing for other fights I thought DLH was lucky to be on the winning end of.

 

Yeah no.

Unless someone changed the definition of "half the fight" to 2 rounds, you probably haven't seen the fight. Oscar ran in the 11th and 12th. He won the 9th, and arguably the 10th.

 

Like you say, De La Hoya had it in the bag. He could take a crap on a ringpost for all i care, as long as he lost those 3 rounds by 10 9, which he did, he won the fight. End of discussion.

 

One fighter came to fight and win, and another came to stall and not to lose.

Thank God for boxing that the judges got this one right!:happy

 

Coming to win? Trinidad's effort over the first 8-9 rounds was a poor effort. Just because you come forward and look to get into exchanges doesn't mean your coming to win and the other fighter isn't as he's on the backfoot.

The fighter coming not to lose is also coming to win. And the fighter coming to win is not coming to lose. Nice try with that statement.

 

Sorry Robbi, but a fighter like JMM is a perfect example of what it is to box.
It does'nt matter if you're moving foward or backward, you still got to let your hands go to dish out punishment.
The key to boxing imo is to retaliate with counterpunching exchanges when the aggressor is coming to you.

DLH was moving backward faster than Trinidad was moving foward, thus Trinidad quite could'nt find the niche to cut the ring and gain the angles.
The problem I had with DLH and the reason why I had it razor close for DLH after 9 rounds (when alot of you here had DLH winning by a landslide) was that DLH did very little effective punching fighting moving backwards.
Too many of the rounds were spent with both fighters not being able to land anything that was effective.
When this happens, I usually will side with the aggressor, whether his aggression was effective or not.

The non-effective aggressor imo gets the round over the non-effective fighter who is simply running away from boxing related exchange.

I was'nt looking for DLH to stand his ground and trade with Trinidad, but I was looking for him to crack Trinidad on a more consistent basis when Trinidad was coming foward.

JMM without running a trackmeet made Pacquiao come to him, in the process of Pacquiao going to JMM, JMM gained the angles (this is called boxing) and made Pacquiao uncomfortable and unbalanced in the process.....
....did JMM run during Pacquiao's chase????? To the contrary, JMM gained the angle, forced Pacquiao offbalance, and cracked him with with authoritative combinations that forced Pacquiao to backdown and reset.
.....and a handful of times of these combinations through an entire fight is not enough, you've got to show it and look to unleash your boxing on a consistent basis round after round....
That is what is called boxing, not the trackmeet, avoidance type of a plan that DLH accomplished in his fight with Trinidad.

From my point of view, the boxer should relish and salivate at the opportunity that is there to land his countershots when an aggressor is advancing.
That my friend is not trading shots, its gaining the angle advantage, getting your foe offbalance, and firing shots.
Its called boxing!
and I did'nt see any of it from DLH!!!!


Both Trinidad and DLH were ineffective in that fight, and when that happens, on my scorecard the aggressor wins everytime!

 

But why did De La Hoya do that? was he hurt? Just doesn't make sense definatly he was up going into the ninth. But not by four or five points, to coast like that... He' been around Boxing long enough to not leave it up to the judge's like that,especcially in Vegas! Same thing with Mayweather, he was getting into a good rythum & then suddenly he abandend the jab. allowing Mayweather to get momentum back. It's just fustrating especcially with a Mexican fighter, if you got the advantage over your opponent, you step up the pressure, never ease off!

 

Exactly!

I vividly remember JC Chavez being interviewed on his opinion of the outcome of the DLH-Trinidad fight........
......Chavez was caught visibly drunk on camera (I hate when newspeople do that to legends like Chavez, they should have never put him on camera like that) but in any regards, what Chavez said in a drunk state, made all the sense in the world......he said, referring to DLH, "the kid had all that it took to beat Trinidad, but he did'nt have the balls to go and and get it!"

Oh, I agreed with that statement 100%, DLH had better skill, but not the intestinal fortitude to go out and prove it!

 

Have not watched the fight...there i said it.


Why have all the people who thought Oscar won posted their scores.

When the Tito believers have just posted discussion points?

 

Good point.

Let me see....

Maybe because it's difficult to post a credible round-by-round that shows Tito getting the nod ?

 

Maybe because its been so long that they dont remember which rounds they gave who......

......and who the heck but a DLH sack swinger wants to re-watch a nonfight all over again?:nut

As I said earlier, I'm not sure of my exact score, but I think its ridiculous to think that a non-fight like that would be scored 9-0 for the non-effective runner.

DLH imo did barely enough to be ahead after 9 rounds by a point or two, then I racked the remaining 3 or four rounds to Trinidad.

I believe I had it 7-5 or 7-4-1 Trinidad, and I have no intentions of rewatching it for the sake of re-scoring it!


Let those who stall fights, go down to defeat!:deal :yep

 

Ok so i dont like either fighter but because of the perceptions going one way or the other i thought it would be intersting which is the only reason i am in the thread at all

It is a thread about RESCORING the fight- if you dont want to watch it again then dont.

 

You're right AM, the thread is about re-scoring, but I just thought I'd throw my two cents and stop the avalache of DLH sack swingers anyways!

I'm honestly posting my opinion of the fight, and truly it was a non-fight!

 

If DLH was ineffective, Tito was non-existent.

Trinidad did two-thirds of **** all in the first 8 rounds.

Oh wait, I take that back, he did paint his trunks the colour of a nice claret.:good