Wilder is better than expected.

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  1. BeaverDan

    BeaverDan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder got outboxed but almost KO'd Fury.

    I think we got exactly what we expected. Well, those of us that know boxing.
     
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  2. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    Wilder was pretty much as advertised, if anything he was worse than expected, simply because if his power was as much as it's said to be, Fury wouldn't have gotten up. He's known for not having the best punch resistance, yet got up twice with little to no ill effect. The 12th round spoke volumes to me, he cracked him with his homerun right, then even landed a FULL FLUSH left hook and neither shot had nearly enough effect to A) keep him down or B) put him in a situation he couldn't recover from. Within 20 seconds of getting off the floor, Fury was back in control and Wilder looked lost.

    The other thing that would concern me if I were a Wilder fan, his engine. He was starting to breathe heavy after 9 rounds and had barely thrown much of anything and it's not like he had Fury leaning on him all night either, as there weren't many clinches through the fight.
     
  3. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

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    just walk upstairs to your mum's room, I'm in there.
     
  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol Brilliant.
     
  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That was a surprise to see Wilder sucking air so deeply after the 9th. For a fighter who's stamina was supposedly good to see him so clearly tired against a man who 12 months ago weighed close to 400lbs was unexpected to say the least, if anyone should of been breathing heavily it was Fury.

    Wilder loaded up too much after that first knockdown. We've seen him windmill against weaker opposition but against Fury who was able to make him miss again and again, it sucked all the energy out of Wilder. Wilder's finishing ability is very poor, both times he was easily avoided and countered. He'll need to change that in the rematch or if he fights Joshua, he can't get away with that at this level.
     
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  6. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    Exactly how I see it pal, Wilders stamina I don't think is particularly bad, as these are big dudes carrying a lot of mass, however anyone now saying Joshua has questionable stamina must surely also ask the same questions of Deontay. Every Joshua fight I've seen he's looked a little gassed by 6, but gets a second wind, except for the Povetkin fight, he seemed super relaxed and wasn't breathing anywhere near as hard, but I chalk that down to him standing his ground and being totally relaxed and confident enough to stand center ring. The other difference here is that Joshua put more consistent work in, Wilder however fights in bursts and Saturday night was no different. I think the handful of body shots he took sucked the air out of him, so hopefully he learns from his mistakes, as coming in at 212lbs and 214lbs in the Ortiz fight is too light.
     
  7. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Was that the first time you seen wilder fight?
     
  8. Brighton bomber

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    Yeah he may very well have dropped too much weight, he had a cold for this fight and for the fight with Ortiz, so you have to wonder if he's over trained for both fights and it compromised his immune system and of course this would effect his stamina.
     
  9. JediPimp007

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    Yeah perfectly feasible, either way, I don't think his stamina is bad at all, just not what it's made out to be, but if he had a cold in both fights, then that does go someway to explain him blowing hard. Again though, I don't think he was gassed, as he was still throwing with power.
     
  10. 250lbs

    250lbs New Member Full Member

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    I do think the first knockdown was a rabit punch to the back of the head and actually illegal. For a rematch i expect Fury to beat him quite comfortably, if he sharpens up a little and don't get caught.

    But i do think Fury should box a little more with a guard up when exchanging on the inside, and not only rely on slipping and movement.
     
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  11. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    I've always rated Joshua's power above Wilder's. But Wilder gets more out of his power potential because he throws with his whole body. Wide instep combined with elastic recoil for maximum power. But because of it he uses up a lot of stamina with those shots. It's a matter of style rather than stamina. He punches himself out. Also, just like Wlad Fury's chin is underrated as well. He has never been KO'ed out cold.

    I think Wider has been on peds earlier, he is just going back to his natural weight. Just check his weigh-ins on boxrec.

    Yes, at least half of Wilder's KO highlight reel is based on illegal punches.

    100% agree on that, Fury dropped under the right too much. Wilder started to aim downstairs for the head.
    This guy is really good analyze fights and he talked about it 3 months ago. I recommend his YT-channel: [url]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpMD2REbXPJPUjqB1ql71LQ/videos[/url]
     
  12. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    Totally agree with that, Wilder literally puts everything into every shot, I think if Joshua did that no one would question who the biggest puncher in the division is. Having said that, with the level of competition he's faced so far, doing that he'd have had an 'L' on his record by now.
     
  13. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No he wasn't. Fury is an experienced boxer. Instead of getting up right away he took time to recover and then got up.
     
  14. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How? Most people, myself included thought he'd KO Fury and he didn't.
     
  15. Ike-Man

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    Fury's stupidity and showboating are the only reason he got hit.