Wilder is the Hardest Puncher Ever

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  1. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    If it was just one or 2 fighters then you might have a point but there are several fighters on Wilder's record where he's taken longer to stop them than other fighters, it's not an isolated incident. The sheer amount of incidents when Wilder has taken longer to stop an opponent suggests his power might not be as impressive as you think.

    But your right even that doesn't prove it because Wilder's issue is that he struggles to KO guys as quick because, well he is so bad a boxer and it takes him longer to figure guys out and land his shot. Which is why when he does fight Joshua will get to him first and KO him.

    But you yourself have proved nothing to suggest Wilder is the hardest puncher ever all you are doing is stating an opinion with no real data to confirm your hypothesis. He's never fought anyone known to be durable and smashed them, like when Hearns KO'd Duran, or when Tyson KO'ed Holmes, that for me is the true test of a fighters power. Anyone can KO a string of chinny nobodies but stick them in with a proven chin and that's when we can gauge a fighters real power. For example Joshua's KO of Johnson a guy who is known to be durable and cagey is more impressive in terms of a display of power than all of Wilder's KO's. I'd like to see Wilder fight Breazeale and Breazeale has a proven quality chin, even Joshua had to take his foot off the peddle early on because he realised he wasn't going to stop Breazeale quickly.
     
  2. red_roo

    red_roo Active Member Full Member

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    U would think Wilder''s corner would of pick up on that . Every time Fury his head from Wilder''s right , just to punch a bit lower
     
  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So how come Mike Tyson couldn't even knock those early bums out cold on the way to his title challenge? The only fighter i can think of is Marvis Frazier, this was against lots of blown up LHW's.

    Again you bring up Holmes, Holmes had been down before and was hurt badly plenty of times before Tyson. If those fighters before could finish Holmes could have been looking at 3 stoppage losses before facing Tyson
     
  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    You forgot Spinks lol that was a pretty memorable KO and of course Holmes was out flat on his back for quite some time. Those 2 KO's alone better than every stoppage on Wilder's record alone.

    You seem to have this delusion that Wilder KO's everyone, most of his opponents were conscious he doesn't have that many genuine KO's, many of the KO's on his record are actually TKO's if you watch the fights.
     
  5. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So what about all those other fighters worse than Spinks who were smaller than Spinks who were also easier to hit?

    Holmes again? You do remember Tyson had a free shot because the silly pensioner got his arm stuck in the ropes? I mean i could knock Larry out with a free shot ffs...... hahahaha.
     
  6. Ahurath

    Ahurath Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Deontay has some insane power, let's not forget he weighs 212 pounds that's ****ing nothing.
     
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  7. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly, i think folk on here have forgot how small he actually is by HW terms. Did he hit harder when he was weighing in in the high 220's? I'd say highly likely tbh.
     
  8. james4210

    james4210 Active Member Full Member

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    He is an incredible puncher. According to the laws of physics a fist travelling twice as fast hits 4 times harder. Wilder has that classic thing Bruce Lee spoke about likening the ideal strike to a metal ball on the end of the chain. Fury did an incredible job of dodging most of the punches but if Wilder works on straight punches and shorter low-power low telegraph shots it's good night for anyone. both fury and Wilder are incredible fighters, with amazing potential
     
  9. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Think Fury is relieved that left hook was from Wilder and not Povetkin.

    Wilder's unorthodox right is powerful because he throws he like he's trying to hit one of those punchbag machines.
     
  10. Bollywooden

    Bollywooden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Proof Charlie Zelenoff is crazy....


    .... he went toe to toe with Wilder.
     
  11. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    He's got whip-like power that can cause major damage if you're caught at the end of it, but his long arms and wide punching style means he can't punch well in combination. That's fighters like Povetkin's forte.

    I personally think Wilder has some of the hardest single shots I've ever seen, but he's not always going to get the early KO because his set-up is so poor. Plus, some guys can just ride that sort of telegraphed looping punch better than short crisp punches coming from all angles.

    It's fair enough to say that more data is needed to make a truly convincing case, but sometimes the eye test can tell you things that don't need to be borne out with actual results (though that's always a bonus). I can't see Breazeale doing any better, chin-wise, than Duhaupas, and perhaps worse given how defensively poor he is, and considering he's already been dropped heavily by a sub-Wilder in Ugonoh. Wilder dropping someone like Miller would be the more impressive achievement to my mind.
     
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  12. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly! The eye test is good enough when you know a thing or two about boxing.

    When he lands his best right hand the results are devastating to say the least. Seeing that poor fighter convulsing was not a nice sight at all. Since then i genuinely am in fear for any fighter that steps in to the ring with him.

    He isn't the best of boxers but his power is frightening!
     
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  13. juhave

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    Not sure if he is the hardest puncher ever (I think Foreman and Shavers hit even harder) but if someone is saying he does not hit hard he does not know what he is talking about. His KO over Liakovich was one of the most savage ever. Wilder is very dangerous opponent for any boxer in the world even though his boxing skills are quite mediocre. I would not be surprised if he KO Joshua if they meet.
     
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  14. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Foreman was certainly more heavy handed but he wasn't in the same league with one shot lights out power.
     
  15. 6'4south

    6'4south Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I argue that his power is not his gift, but his ability to land it. I get the catch phrase "sweet science" as it refers to boxing, and to be honest Wilder does not posses many of the attributes. But I would argue boxing is not just one science, but many, and Wilder has mastered the science of "landing" his power. Wilder may not be able to explain timing+accuracy= efficiency (nor could I), but he can damn sure show you. He's definitely one of the hardest punchers I've seen in the sport.
     
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