How many more fights are going to be ruined?

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  1. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ward v Kovalev
    Canelo v GGG
    Wilder v Fury


    Controversy in all 5 of the above meetings.
    (Although personally, Ward v Kovalev II I thought Ward just broke Kovalev).


    These were the 'Big fights' that were going to re-ignite the sport.

    They haven't......
    Because of horrific decisions.
     
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  2. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    As long as the establishment keep their preferred champion, it doesnt matter if they rob the opponent. Its an obvious agenda, much more heinous on a global scale as well.
     
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  3. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Nowhere looks as bad as the States right now.

    Compare the Brook v Spence cards with GGG v Canelo I and Fury v Wilder.

    Brook v Spence was the closest of the 3 fights.
     
  4. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh gosh
    This fight had good scorecards
    The Cali judge blew it
    The other 2 were good
     
  5. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Every big fight is going to be impacted by corruption, dodgy refereeing and judges and its never going to end...

    If you are expecting things to get better or for changes to occur in boxing, then you are following the wrong sport.

    Boxing is the law of the jungle, the only laws are inside the ring man to man, everything else is subject to corruption.

    Brown Envolopes, Briefcases of cash, Rolex/Patek Phillipe Watches, luxury hotel suites, Hookers on tap, Colombian marching powder...thats what gets things done in boxing.
     
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  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Does look bad now in the states for overseas fighters hoping to get a fair decision, throw in the Stevenson/Gvozdyk cards as well.

    I mean Fury won a decision in Germany over Wlad yet couldn't do the same in the US and Germany was meant to be the worst country for judging.
     
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  7. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Is this what judging in the States is coming to?

    One corrupt scorecard out of three is 'Good scorecards'?


    Is this the only way North America can compete in boxing anymore?

    Ward shouldn't have been undefeated.....
    Canelo should have at least 1 more defeat.....
    Wilder should now be a contender not a champion.
     
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  8. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As long as we keep paying money for the fights
     
  9. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    They should put red and blue m and m's in a room full of monkeys and award the decision to the red or blue corner depending on how many they eat. This would not only deliver more accurate scorecards, but watching the simian judges getting ready for their next match would be more entertaining than undercards such as we got the other night.
     
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  10. Vykus

    Vykus ɹoolɟ ǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ ʍǝᴉʌ ǝɥʇ Full Member

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    Its why boxing is suffering a slow and painful death in the states. Some US fans tolerate it, because they think its good for boxing/business. However, when the WBC fixes a result, as they did vs Fury, the criminals doing the fixing put bets on and become fantastically wealthy due to pre knowledge of the result. With a pre determined result in the first fight, enriching criminals and robbing the fans, what makes people think it will be any different in a second fight when everyone knows Joshua is the ultimate prize? Allowing corruption to prevail in US boxing so a few individuals can get rich at the expense of the fans/punters, has driven both athletes and supporters away from the sport. Even a dozen or so fans of boxing on this forum stated theyve had enough of the sport after that fight, as did the 2 people I watched it with who have now become MMA fans.
     
  11. cippi

    cippi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    its a business. even wilder and fury were prolly in it. some sorta agreement if the fight is semi close. then make it a draw. were gonna start seeing more draws in big close fights watch. i dont think any man deserved to lose im cool with the decision.

    its not even a bad decision. i think wilder won the first round. and then the 2 knockdowns in seperate rounds is huge. so i think wilder could of snuck 4 rounds in and thats all he needed for a draw. i think the decision should be accepted with understanding. we can get a for sure answer in the next fight .
     
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  12. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree Wilder and Fury were probably in on it. This assumption would explain why GGG vs Canelo 1 was a draw. It was going to be a draw no matter what just to get the 2nd fight.
     
  13. cippi

    cippi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i dont like how ggg vs canelo went down. a rematch was gonna happen win / lose / draw any scenario .. and canelo had leverage in negotiations no matter . just a dirty move . ggg earned he nod in the first fight. and in the rematch the fight was flipped a little bit. ggg was boxing a little more but still being ggg. canelo was more aggressive and offensive minded in pushing to get the ko. but in what ggg did in the first fight is wat canelo did in the 2nd but they give canelo the win. dont like how they played ggg , only reason ggg put up with it because canelo was gonna be his next 2 or 3 fights no matter wat. not saying there was any agreement or anything but ggg knew it was high potential for some bs to go down not in his favor. but at the same time he would put up with cuz he was gonna make some serious cash fighting canelo
     
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  14. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Yeah, man, like, when is Japan going to stop hosing over their own fighters? Ya know. Like, some of us still haven't gotten over Ioka vs. Ruenroeng, man. And just how, ya know, lame it was that Jersey Joe never got credit for that first Joe Louis fight. I tell you what, Finland best get it together quick. Some of us haven't forgotten about Helenius vs. Chisora.
     
  15. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This has just happened consistently throughout boxing though ain't it. It's nothing new at all, it hasn't even took a turn for the worse cause it was already that bad.

    Mayweather v Canelo
    Pacquaio v Bradley
    Oscar v Sturm
    Oscar v Tito
    Pernell v Chavez
    Ali v Norton
    Louis v Walcott
    Lewis v Holyfield

    Etc etc these are just some of the big fights I can think of from the top of my head where a card has been ridiculous or the fight has been a robbery before these recent ones.

    Not even including ones like Rio's v Avril where Avril clearly won all twelve rounds and still lost but even hardcore's barely care about Avril being robbed, nevermind anyone else.

    Unless it's a clear KO you can pretty much bank on some sort of controversy.

    That said it happens in all countries, not a lot of notable outright robberies in the UK but we have some terrible refs. If Fury v Wilder was over here I think Fury would have been waved off before Fury even had the chance to rise.