Early estimates Wilder vs Fury does over 300k PPV buys (US only)

Rematch if it happens would clearly rake in site fees for Las Vegas now.

 

Not sure Joshua would offer 60/40 on those numbers. Joshua’s usual UK fights pull 1.5m at $30 with a 50/50 split with Sky. That’s without Wilder the pot would be $22.5m from UK broadcasting. Hearns gone on record saying a Wilder fight does 2m which means wilder would generate an extra $7.5m of revenue. Hearn also has the carrot of Dazn. Who if they guaranteed $15m of income as Joshua has a similar profile in US as fury means they only need 125,000 subscribers. Joshua still would argue he brings practically all of the revenue. Hearn would argue the fight has to be in UK and has already said if it did 300k buys he would offer Wilder 20%. I think they will negotiate 30-35%. But the fight has to happen.

 

Nope.
It would be the first time a rematch outdid the first fights revenue in such a drastic manner(this being if the first fight did do around 320k).

And it's highly likely that they will increase the PPV price as well. This has been a common theme now for a while now.

 

Hearn may not offer it but if these numbers are true for Fury/Wilder then Wilder has the numbers to expect 40% or close to it.

Wilder 320K PPV's at $75 = $24mill
Joshua 1.5 mill PPV's at £19.95 = £29.92 mill or $38.9 mill

So total pot of $62.9 mill, 40% of that is $25.16 mill, so Wilder is generating close to 40%.

 

Good points. I'm using 600k as a ceiling but yes people thinking you go from 320k to over a mil are tripping.

Mayweather v Maidana had both fights pegged around 900k PPV Buys.

Oscar vs Mosley did 590k but the rematch jumped to 950k.

Hokyfield vs Bowe. 900k. 950k. 650k

Tyson v Holyfield 1.5 mil and 1.9 mil

Lewis v Holyfield 1.5 mil and 850k

 

What does this mean?

"Tracking at over 300,000 buys......The break even point was 250,000".

So around 50-75,000 buys between the two fighters on top of their guaranteed purses?



Thought Wilder could generate $50,000,000.

 

While logically you'd think the controversy of the first fight would mean the 2nd fight does better the numbers in many cases don't support that.

Lewis/Holyfield 1 did 1.2 mill buys the rematch did 850K buys. I think many US fans paid to watch the first fight to see Holyfield beat Lewis, but the 2nd time around many probably didn't pay to watch Holyfield lose which many expected.

Though there are examples of 2nd fights doing better in the US. Holyfield Tyson did 1.59 mill for the first fight and did 1.99 mill for the rematch. But Tyson was a special fighter even after the loss he had a lot of people thinking he could win, even up to the Lewis fight when he was shot many believed he could beat Lewis.

How well the rematch does for Fury/Wilder may come down to what US fans think Wilder's chances are in winning a rematch. Considering most thought Wilder lost it maybe that the rematch may not do as well as some think, not many US fans will pay to watch a fitter Fury out box Wilder even more comprehensively. But if they think Wilder can this time get the KO, they might indeed boost sales for the rematch.

 

Which tells me how the fcuk could an alleged guarantee of $50 mil to AJ ever of made sense. $50 mil alone to AJ when a AJ v Wilder fight on PPV would of had no guarantee at all to have hit significantly more than 320k buys.

 

Kovolov v ward 160k with the controversy. Rematch 125k

 

But the fight has to be in US or UK. A fight in UK does not then do 300k in US and fight on US does not do 1.5m in UK due to the time of the fights. On top of that the split with sky from what I have heard is straight 50/50 giving $19.5m opposed to showtimes minus 10% then 50/50 giving $10.8m to the table on top of that Joshua can bring DAZN to the table which would generate more than the PPV wilder can prove at 350k buys and massive gates from Wembley. Personally if Wilder got a $20m guarantee he would still make more than the Fury rematch unless is sold 1m PPV buys. Tough position for Wilder to be in but either way he makes double what he made in the last Fury fight.

 

Never added up financially

 

Showtime take 30% I think.

AJ v Wilder could do over a mil in the UK at 4am. Floyd v Pacquiao did those numbers.

 

Joshua vs Klitschko had 1.5 million PPV buys, and Joshua's unification bout with Parker had 1.45 million. So it's not impossible without a hispanic boxer.

 

They were talking about US Market not UK.

 

Your right I hadn't considered the location would effect sales depending upon where the fight happens. Joshua would be crazy to take the fight in the US, so can Wilder draw 40% of revenue if he's fighting in the UK and the fight happens at a weird time in the US, probably not.

A $20 mill guarantee would be more than Wilder likely makes for a rematch, if Hearn offers a split with that guarantee then Wilder would be silly not to take it, especially as the alternative could be fighting Fury for less and probably losing.