AJ vs Whyte and Wilder vs Fury Could clash

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  1. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    In fairness, who was the last heavyweight champion to routinely fight three or four times a year?
     
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    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    If you want.

    Back on subject, as you say, if Wilder and Fury rematch, there’s not many great options out there for AJ. Whyte has a punchers chance, Pulev doesn’t really even have that. No idea about Miller, he’s a big lump. Ortiz would be fun. I would expect Joshua to knock them all out though.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    It's been a long time.
    But AJ enjoys more hype than most, and he's only had 22 fights.
    The truth is, by the time he's got done with Whyte, Miller, Pulev or wheover, at this rate there's no guarantee that Fury and/or Wilder will be around.
    Joshua might well shape up to be the next Klitschko, building a boring reign against a series of uninspiring mandatories. At least if he was fighting often, and taking the show on tour, there would be a couple of exciting years ahead that people could look back on.
     
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    Honestly, if 2019 turns out to be just AJ-Whyte and AJ-Pulev, that's a bit of a waste of his prime, it's not legacy-building stuff.
     
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  5. TonyHayers

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    Lewis had a fantastic legacy and spent a few years not fighting anyone who was that great. In 2001 he only fought Rahman for example. 1998 - Mavrovic and Briggs.

    As it stands the heavyweight landscape isn't that deep. A legacy is really built on the biggest names; Joshua has had a realistic window to fight two of them in Klitschko and Wilder. One happened, one didn't. Plenty of time left.
     
  6. oiky

    oiky Gypsy Boy Full Member

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    Show actual signs of wanting to fight Tyson or wilder asap....

    Stop making comments like "if wilder and fury rematch they'll miss the boat where Joshua is concerned"...

    A sense of urgency from Hearn & Joshua regarding a bout with tyson or wilder would be a good start, but there is none
     
  7. Secret Service US

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    It really dosent. Wilder-Fuy done minimum 300K US PPV Buys at $65-$75. Ticket prices were much higher.

    Only Joshua-Klitschko and Joshua-Parker made more.
    And you have to remember, this is the USA. Barely anyone is intrested in Boxing, it’s the 25th most popular sport. Over here it’s probably the 3rd

    Joshua-Wilder makes much more in Las Vegas, USA. Even the conman himself, Hearn confirmed it. If you think the UK is the home of boxing. Why didn’t Canelo-Golovkin 2 or Mayweather-Mcgregor take place in the UK ?

    The fact that UK Fans swallow up and Hearn manages to put on Haye-Bellew, Whyte-Chisora, Whyte-Parker on PPV Here, tells me all i need to know.Tony Bellew become a UK PPV Fighter that tells me UK Fans are permanently drunk and are deprived of sporting stars
     
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    But the UK is a small country compared to the US. So the UK in comparison to the US is deprived of legit, Sporting Stars. So if someone like Joshua comes along, he’s going to be treated as the second coming of jesus

    The fact that Eddie Hearn can get away with Joshua-Chisora, Haye-Bellew on PPV and made Tony Bellew and Dillan Whyte PPV fighters in the UK, confirms to me UK Fans will chew anything up. All Hearn has to do is advertise the fights to the drunken Football Fans (you know the ones who you saw at the Chelsea-City match abusing Sterling) who will come to the stadiums and fill it to the brim, buying the cheap tickets, while singing nursery rhymes and getting drunk.

    US is a bit different, the PPV is much higher, the tickets are much more expensive (you can thank the US Economy for that) and much more intense sporting competition. US Fans will only get behind the very best. UK Fans seems to get behind any old fighter who was born in the UK. It’s that small country/tribe mentality.
     
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    I know PPVs are more expensive in the US, so let's look at some simple sums. You say Wilder Fury 'done' 300k at $65-75. Taking $70 as a working average, that converts to £55.95 per purchase. 300,000 x £55.95 = £16.7m.

    16.7m / £19.99 = 840k. In short, any UK PPV doing 840k or more is equalling (or bettering) the PPV funds generated in the US for this fight. (And this with the pound at record lows. This figure would be around 200k lower on average over the last decade.)

    This means that every single Joshua PPV generated more money in the UK than Wilder v Fury did in the US. Even Joshua v Carlos Takam beat it. Joshua v Povetkin destroyed it. In fact, it's not just Joshua. Haye v Bellew beat it. I'll repeat that. Haye Bellew generated more money from PPV sales than Wilder Fury did in their respective host countries.

    So, that's why US heavyweights make nothing and UK heavyweights make loads. That's why Joshua has made more money in his last four fights than Wilder has made in a 41 fight career.
     
  10. Jurgen

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    The more PPVs and the more PPV clashes the better it is for long-term boxing.

    So funny watching 2 fat puddings arguing with 2 tiny midgets over the PPV Pie.
     
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    Some of us had to stay up well past 5AM to watch the Fury v Wilder fight in Vegas. Even AJ didn't wake up for the fight.

    I don't see how it would clash? If anything sports fans will have a chance to watch both fights in the same 24 hour period.

    Doubtful Wilder is coming to the UK, they might agree something on Judge selection or w.e

    But I am excited for Whyte v Joshua rematch... that's going to be excellent.

    And will answer a lot of questions between these top 4 heavyweights of the world, Imagine Whyte and Fury becoming the #1 and #2

    Exciting times.
     
  12. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Yea but don't kid yourself that Fury vs Wilder wouldn't hit them in the pocket

    6 months ago I doubt many would have cared
     
  13. Secret Service US

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    Joshua v Klitschko and
    Joshua v Parker were two fights which made more revenue than the Wilder-Fury fight. However Joshua v Povtekin or Joshua v Takam did not.

    I don’t trust the Haye-Bellew figures , as UK reports stated, Bellew got 2.8M and Haye 4.2M for the first right.
    Wilder and Fury reportedly got north of 10M for their fight a couple of weeks ago. When you add in international tv, gate and other revenue sources, Wilder-Fury made more total revenue than the vast majority of Joshua fights bar Parker and Wlad


    US Purses are not all as they seem. Al Haymon is notorious for a bit on the side. Remember Eddie Hearn offering Broner a fight deal, did you see Broner’s Response ? I am sure Wilder gets a couple of extra millions which is not disclosed to the Commisions.
     
  14. TonyHayers

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    So you trust the figures which suit your argument, and doubt the figures which don't. Not hard to see what you're doing here to be fair.