Is there any trainer who can improve Wilder's boxing skills?

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  1. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unfortunately Steward was unable to help Naseem Hamed prepare for Barrera. I think he could have worked well with Wilder but in the end it all comes down to the fighter themselves if they are really wanting to improve their style. Wilder does seem like the kind of guy that just wants to stick to his way of fighting. This is a guy who called the sweet science a 'myth'.
     
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  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he won't say that after he is knocked out and he will get knocked out. It is not hard for a guy to be knocked out especially when he faces top guys like Joshua or Fury. Fury is in a tough situation. He can beat Wilder, but he has to not engage at all and just think boxing the whole fight. No exchanging. He could hurt Wilder, but it is not worth it for that second he stands still.
     
  3. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How do you know his handlers haven't been tackling this issue w/o success?
     
  4. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder's skill-set isn't what let him down against Fury. It was his impatience and stubbornness that let him down. Wilder went into the Fury fight believing his own hype thinking all he needed to do was land a right hand and the fight would be over, but he found out the hard way that wasn't the case. Head hunting is never going to work on Fury, since he's too clever for that. When Wilder took his time and setup the right hand he was able to land on Fury just fine. Wilder was too used to guys not moving their heads and being easy targets.
     
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    GGGunbeatable Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  6. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    No. He's too old, too set in his ways, and too dumb and dismissive to ever take the time to alter his style in a significant manner.

    Any trainer should just focus on improving those things that can be improved upon, like his stamina, and ensuring that he keeps a healthy weight and doesn't do himself any injuries. Let nature do the rest.
     
  7. macademics

    macademics Active Member Full Member

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    He is leading the pack for worst trainer of the year right now, his fighters have nearly all lost this year.
     
  8. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    IMO no trainer would matter and whatever age he would have started probably wouldn't matter. From Olympics to pros, what we see is what we get.

    Some guys come late and learn well, IMO Tarver is an example. While some of his shots to me are mechanical, robotic he definitely gained a great amount of skill. Understands distance, leverage on his shots. A thinking fighter. So late age for Wilder isn't the concern.

    Somewhat the antitheses of Wilder. An example of a potentially great warrior who threw shitty shots IMO was Edwin Valero. Just horrible. No technique. My point: Until his death... it worked. His win over Demarco a sound fighter is an example that in the sport of boxing, technique doesn't always win.

    Another example. Aaron Perpetual motion Pryor. Who could box, but his wild ways usually got him dropped from being off balance.

    Another example to me is Homicidal Hank Armstrong. He had skills & technique, yet often times he just marched flat footed, burrowed into his opponents, head down, shoulders hunched while punching away and it got him 3 world titles at the same time.

    So guys like Armstrong, Pryor, Valero IMO makes me think it's irrelevant that Wilder looks lost with fundamentals. He's a 212-214lb guy that owns a HW title. So few get a chance to strap that green belt around their waist, let alone hold it for a year or two.

    It's not Wilder's fault that some skilled chap didn't get that strap before him. Personally I will enjoy every second watching him until he retires. As Tyson Fury stated "Wilder is dangerous every second of the fight." Fans beg to differ, but I will take Fury's word for it.

    Keep swinging Wilder! Down the Pipe, or Windmilling, Breland or no Breland...just keep swinging!

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  9. DoubleJ

    DoubleJ Active Member Full Member

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    Wilder's balance and jab looked a lot better the first few rounds vs. Fury than I'd ever seen them. Then as the fight kind of settled in, he went back to old habits. He needs a corner to point out technical things between rounds and, most importantly, a willingness to follow instruction.

    Breland can do it, if Wilder wants to learn.

    Emmanuel Steward would've been a godsend to him.
     
  10. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    In all seriousness Teddy Atlas might have the type of disciplinarian style to drill a few fundamentals into Wilder's skull. He wouldn't significantly improve him though. No one would.
     
  11. The Ogdoad

    The Ogdoad Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    His trainer is a former fighter, who was pretty good. People who hate on Wilder have to realize how far he has come. He wasn't anywhere near a diamond in the rough like a Rigondeaux, Mayweather, Lomachenko, etc. He was literally a lump of dry clay. It's amazing that he has been molded into what he is so far. He'd KO every guy he lost to in the Amateurs.
     
  12. caligula4

    caligula4 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Peter Fury, with Roach as cutsman at Old Trafford, just for full circle circus and drama appeal.
     
  13. BeanutPutter

    BeanutPutter New Member Full Member

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    I think Wilder Physiologically has clumsy motor skills, and no Trainer in history could change. I can by the way he carries himself there was zero chance of him ever beinga another Larry Holmes

    His recklessness in the ring may dissapoint the purists, but I see it as entertaining. I always have seen him as a 'glass canon' and to get this far he's done realy well for himself. Just don't ever mention him in the same sentence as 'the greats'.

    Wilder I tip my hat to you, Bravo Sir!
     
  14. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mark Breland is a really good trainer, Wilder has simply peaked as far as skillset.
     
  15. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    He can drop his trainer and learn from YouTube, real talk.