Sunday Times Frank Warren Interview

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  1. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Warren won't do that because he won't dare risk his only decent PPV name losing out.
     
  2. BigDoofus

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    Joshua's promoter took it seriously. He said Joshua would make up his mind in the next fortnight. He chose not to fight.
    You choose to ignore this for your own agenda.
     
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    He took it seriously as he asked for a contract. Honestly, this debate has been done to death and is so stupid anyone still making the point can safely be dismissed as a wind up or an idiot.
     
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    It's touch and go whether Joshua even makes the shortlist, based on how inclusive it needs to be these days.

    Fury has a good chance of making the top 3, as his noteworthy achievements have come at exactly the right time in the year so are fresh in people's minds.
     
  5. Tazz

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    Chose not to fight? Did you completely ignore the fact that Joshua/Hearn made a counter offer, that was "accepted" by Wilder up until it came to actually having to put pen to paper?

    The problem with agendas is that yours is clear to see. If anyone claimed that Wilder didn't want the fight because he turned down the $12.5m that was offered initially, they would be wrong, as Wilder made a counter-offer. The difference is that since accepting and then rejecting Hearn's offer of $15m, Wilder has received more offers, and rejected/ignored all of them.
     
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    Maybe Wilder decided he didn't want to accept a fraction of the purse.
    He wouldn't accept $15m.
    Joshua turned down $50m.
     
  7. Tazz

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    If he wasn't happy with the $15m why ask for the contract then, and refuse to sign it? He could easily have countered and asked for a bigger guarantee or a split.

    By the time that Wilder stalled long enough, the $50m offer was as irrelevant as the $12.5m flat fee offered by Hearn. In fact, the $50m offer was off the table 48 hours after it was made. As I said, your agenda is clear, and you ignore reality to pursue it.
     
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    Joshua asked for $50m. It was offered and Joshua tweeted "Let's Roll".
    Hearn confirmed that the offer was genuine and the money was there. He said he had 2 weeks to decide whether to take it or not.
    You say 48 hours. Hearn said 2 weeks. Should I believe a random guy off the internet or Joshua's promoter?
     
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    Wilder and Finkel, said 48 hours. It took Hearn 2 weeks. In fact, IIRC the 2 weeks you are thinking about is the 2 weeks that Hearn gave Wilder's team to respond to the $12.5m offer.

    Either way, for whatever reasons, neither side were happy with the offers. Wilder has rejected 3 offers so far, and is currently claiming the 4th is AJ begging for a fight.

    Joshua has rejected one offer and countered it with something else. And made more offers since.

    Yet, your logic ends at the offer to Joshua, and ignore everything that happened afterwards.
     
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    being sponsored by them is clearly dodgy in its self. sponsored by a tout website, hardly a good look is it
     
  11. Secret Service US

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    $50M is much more than £15M. What can’t you understand about that ? More is better.

    Joshua’s been brainwashed by the Hearns. Don’t come at me like the other guy on here, who claims that $50M Offer was bogus. It wasn’t. I clearly remember Hearn saying on a IFL Interview in May/June saying he recieved clarifications and verifications from Al Haymon

    There was no 24 Hr Deadline. There was NO BT Involvement. Hearn advised Joshua to reject that offer and i want to know why ? It’s clearly more money he was ever going to make than in the UK. Joshua tweetsd clearly “let’s roll” so he didn’t have a problem with fighting in the US

    We could have had Joshua v Wilder by now.
    But a scumbag like Hearn has prevented it for his own DAZN Agenda and Povetkin, Whyte, Miller, Usyk agenda. (In that order is how i think AJ’s next three fights will go)
     
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    WHAT ?
    In what way is Joshua doing Hatton-Mayweather numbers ?

    The numbers for Hat-May was astronomical, it done close to 1M in the US and over 1M in the UK ?

    A Joshua fight has never reached those numbers. And it can’t unless he fights Wilder in Vegas. Isn’t it sad that people will still pack 90K even if Joshua loses or fights bums. Very sad. Imagine if fans voted with their feet.

    We would get the serious fights such as Joshua v Wilder or Joshua v Fury by now. It’s a shame people are so addicted to big muscles and six packs and not quality fights
     
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    I obviously meant in the UK.

    No point fighting Wilder in Vegas. When was the last US heavyweight fight which generated more money than Joshua Klitschko? I bet it's Lewis Tyson and those two guys are collectively more than a hundred years old.
     
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    Can you explain, in simple terms, how a Wilder fight could possibly generate enough money to pay Joshua a guaranteed $50m?

    Just to point out, the total guaranteed purse for Wilder v Fury was $7m. The fight generated around $23m based on PPV buys. That's around 30% of the revenue paid as a guarantee.

    If Joshua v Wilder were running at the same percentages, and at the same PPV price, then with Wilder earning, say, $25m, we have a guarantee of $75m. It would have to do somewhere in the region of 3m buys in America to cover it. That will never happen in a million years.
     
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    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Stop you are talking too much sense. You see $75 mil can just be magiced from thin air to pay these astronomical purses.