do you give Joey Maxim credit for stopping Ray Robinson

Not after I heard how apparently Maxim had his team install air-conditioning in his corner prior to the fight giving him an unfair advantage given the conditions. Should have been ruled a NC.

Source: March 96 issue RING magazine.

 

Why not? Maxim was in the heat too.

 

Wtf....an air conditioning unit in 1952 would nearly be the size of a very large truck. And they had it in his corner? Ffs....

 

I have read that Joey Maxim paced himself well during his bout with Sugar Ray Robinson.

- Chuck Johnston

 

Absolutely.

Great win for Maxim

 

Well you are a Jack Dempsey fan so clearly you aren't the most knowledgeable boxing fan. First off the heat stopped Ray Robinson. Who cares if Maxim was in the heat as well? Because his heavier body could take the head better than Robinson's smaller body it means something? Maxim was losing to a man he was much bigger than. If Robinson could take the heat better he would of won. In any case again the heat stopped Robinson not Maxim. So Maxim should get no credit for the stoppage.

 

Utter horsesh*t. Pace and attrition are great assets for a champion to control. Robinson, literally and figuratively, lost his cool and failed at the long game.

Scoreboard.

 

Joey Maxim had an amzing Ring IQ. Some people don't understand that. He outsmarted Ray. He outsmarted everyone. I never saw a smarter fighter. There was that other fight where he displayed superior strategy.

Which one was it? Tryin to remember

 

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1952-06-25 : Sugar Ray Robinson 157½ lbs lost to Joey Maxim 173 lbs by RTD in round 13 of 15
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Robinson hits Maxim with a right

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Robinson collapses in the 13th round
1952-06-25 : Sugar Ray Robinson 157½ lbs lost to Joey Maxim 173 lbs by RTD in round 13 of 15

• Location: Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, USA
• Referee: Ruby Goldstein

• World Light Heavyweight Title (2nd defense by Maxim)
• Photo #3, Photo #4, Photo #5, Photo #6, Photo #7, Photo #8

Notes

• The fight was originally scheduled for June 23 but was postponed because of rain.
• Robinson was a slight betting favorite.
• Maxim had a two-inch height advantage, but Robinson had a one-inch reach advantage.
• There was no home TV or radio for the fight. 39 theaters in 25 cities carried the bout on closed circuit television.
• Maxim and Robinson each received 30% of the net gate.
• There was a crowd of 47,968.
• The gross gate was $421,696.
• Maxim was warned for elbowing, and Robinson was admonished for holding.
• The temperature on the night of the fight was 103 degrees. Referee Ruby Goldstein, overcome by the heat, was replaced by Ray Miller after the tenth round.
• Robinson, suffering from heat exhaustion and Maxim's harder punches, was unable to come out for the 14th round. It was the only time Robinson was stopped in 200 professional fights.
• At the time of the stoppage, Robinson led by scores of 10-3, 9-3-1 and 7-3-3. The Associated Press had Robinson ahead 9-3-1, and the United Press had him in front 10-2-1.
• Robinson retired after this fight, but he returned to the ring in 1955.

Quotes

• Joey Maxim: "I was way behind, and I knew it. But I also knew I had him if I didn't run out of rounds."
• Jack Kearns (Maxim's manager): "The heat talk is an alibi and excuse. Robinson was nailed good in the belly in the tenth round and again in the twelfth and he got a left hook and a right to the head at the end of the thirteenth, when he was on the ropes. If the bell hadn't a rang he'd be dead. It was the way we planned it. We had Joey lay back and let Robinson punch himself out."

External Links

• "Odds on Sugar Ray Robinson Whipping Joe Maxim Now 13-10" By Jack Hand, Associated Press, June 25, 1952
• "Maxim, Heat Halt Sugar Ray" By Jack Cuddy, United Press, June 26, 1952
• "Maxim And Heat TKO Sugar Ray In 14th Round" By Jack Hand, Associated Press, June 26, 1952

 

Wow, it would be that large? You really don't let anything past you! Brilliant detective work...

 

Of course he gets credit.

Do Brewster and Purrity get credit for gassing Wlad out and then KOing him?

Does Ali get credit for gassing Foreman out and stopping him?

Thread reeks of butthurt.

 

Yes indeed, Maxim was an excellent Champion with a excellent resume

 

If the fight had gone another 2 rounds Maxim would have lost on the scorecards .Are you seriously suggesting he knew Ray would blow up in the 13th and not be able to come out for the finally 2 rounds?

 

The fact that Robinson retired for 3 years might have something to do with there being no rematch!