Jamie Moore

I dont agree with this TBH.........Dave Coldwell...........central area title only. Seems a good trainer to me.

 

Yeah you don't need to have been a top pro to be a top trainer, just look at Manny Steward. Also, can you imagine how bad Mayweather would be as a trainer?

 

There are examples where Coldwell has made fighters deteriorate beyond levels thought impossible - eg David Price

Bellew a mediocre success for me as he was a top conman and found badly lacking when he faced his only 2 current elite fighters.

Not convinced by Coldwell yet.

Did point out McCracken done it so it can be done.

 

Imo Jamie’s British level coach tactical wise he’s not great when you look at the tactics in the Frampton, Murray and Fielding fights there seems to be NO plan b to resort to when the fights not going your way

 

Ive never understood why people think its a pre-requisite to have been an elite performer in the sport to be a good coach. What I would say, is to be a top coach, you need to have been exposed to top coaches, and their methods.
There is even exceptions to that rule, look at Enzo Calzaghe.
Mourinho never played professional football but has won the Champions league twice.
Manny Steward wasn't a top fighter, but was exposed to many top trainers and fighters in the gyms of Detroit. Likewise (not Manny level)Teddy Atlas and Kevin Rooney being around IMO the best of them all, Cus.
John Danaher the BJJ Coach too. Best in world IMO, nothing of great note competitively.

Being an elite performer, or not, can often be down to the level of athleticism.

 

Don't get me wrong I wasn't calling Moore a Manny Steward!

 

Agreed regards the tactics, and I haven't yet been impressed with Moore in the corner on fight night. Saturday being just another prime example of it.

Frampton didn't need to here about 'try slipping to the left and throwing a right hand'. He's experienced enough to make the subtle judgements himself.

He was being outworked, out-thought and out fought. In my (completely uneducated) opinion Frampton needed the psychological aspect of the game in his corner and Moore didn't deliver that. After the first two rounds it looked like he had lost belief in winning the fight. He had a look of resignation on his face between rounds. I think he needed Moore to be more vocal and to really get him up for it.

Still, I'm not a top coach and Moore is.

 

What i don't understand is there gameplan was frmpton is the puncher and when warrington gets clipped he wont rush in and workrate will be nullified. Did he never thing Warrington who has a great chin NEVER been down in Amateurs or Pros that he can take a good shot and out-work him anyway? what was the tactics in this scenario??? He seemed lost.

 

Adam Booth, Joe Gallagher and Dominic Ingle Prove you do not need to have boxed at the top to train at the top.

 

I bet Froch would struggle to name one SRR opponent, I doubt he knows he's a middleweight or a welterweight even he probably thinks he fought Joe Louis. Seriously he's clueless

 

Agreed..You got more chance of fellas with their background being great trainers than ex fighters imo, especially great fighters !

 

I'm great at giving golf advice....i still slice my own shots into the f*cking trees though !

 

"Just go out there and box that motherf*ucker!"

 

I couldn't believe my eyes when Carl stood trading with Warrington in the opening two rounds. It was one of the most stupid things I've seen in a boxing ring. Taking into account how smart a fighter Frampton normally is, it's completely baffling. I don't know whether that was the fault of Moore or Carl, but one or both made a shocking call.

He literally played Warrington at his own game in those rounds, unsurprisingly came off worse, and tired for the rest of the fight against a bloke who has a phenomenal gas tank. After two rounds I knew Carl had lost the fight. He needs to win the opening rounds because he always tires down the stretch. Instead he almost gassed himself out after two rounds, took a beating and couldn't get himself together for the rest of the fight.

Warrington wasn't going to let Carl win no matter what on Saturday. But Frampton could've made it a closer fight if he used completely different tactics. How weak a puncher did they think Warrington was? Mental stuff.

 

Great post