Ring Generalship - what does it mean to you guys?

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  1. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When he purposely goes for the aggressive approach like Cotto and Canelo he’s a force of nature.could of bored Canelo to death which would of been smart but he brings out the 135 Floyd.
     
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  2. red_roo

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    Being a man a hones't man win without cheating
     
  3. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You get the impression with Usyk that because he feels so superior that he feels he should win conclusively in his opponents backyards and that he would be ashamed off any help from the judges.
    That’s a sentiment they should all share as they all know what rounds they won or not.
     
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  4. DynamicMoves

    DynamicMoves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Forcing your opponent to fight your fight.
    Problem is fans always think their guy is the superior ring general.
     
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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is correct.

    It's not about punches thrown or landed, it's who is making the other person fight their fight.

    The Leonard-Duran series is an example. In the first and second fights, both guys threw a fairly equal number of shots.

    But, in fight one, Duran was the ring general. They fought Duran's fight. On the ropes. A lot of inside punches being thrown and landed. Leonard had his back to the ropes. He admitted he wanted to beat Duran at his own game, so he fought the fight the way Duran wanted to. Duran was the general. They fought the way Duran wanted.

    Their second fight was different. Leonard dictated the fight. Leonard stayed off the ropes and Duran couldn't pin him there for any length of time. Duran was in the middle of the ring trying to outbox Leonard. And Duran did win some rounds doing that. Both guys were doing fine. But they were fighting Leonard's fight. And you could tell by their demeanor. In the first fight, Duran grew more arrogant as the rounds progressed. In the second fight, Leonard grew more arrogant as the rounds progressed.

    Both guys had their moments in both fights, but the first fight was fought the way Duran preferred. The rematch was fought the way Leonard preferred.

    You can usually tell a good ring general if all their fights tend to look the same. Like Floyd Mayweather fought Shane Mosley, and Manny Pacquiao, and Canelo Alvarez and despite the fact that his opponents couldn't be more different, many of his fights followed the same pattern fight in and fight out. Because once the bell rang, nearly all his opponents ended up fighting Mayweather the way Mayweather wanted to fight. And they all ended up trying to beat Floyd at Floyd's game, rather than fight the way they typically won. Whether Mayweather outlanded them by a ton or only by a punch or two, he was dictating the fight. He was nearly always the ring general.
     
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  6. dangerousity

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    It’s BS imo, it’s about the end result. Does your “ring generalship” result in you hurting the other guy more than he hurt you? If so you should get score for hurting the other guy, not how you achieved that. Ali gets credit for knocking foreman out, rope a dope maybe a way of him controlling foreman but it would have been pointless if he controlled foreman to khtfo.

    It’s not a dancing competition or a diving competition. Arbitrary scores assigned to specific moves. It’s a hurt game. Max put it best, after the round is done, based on that round alone, who would you rather be coming out of that round?
     
  7. red_roo

    red_roo Active Member Full Member

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    Spot on that ," Usyk a real champion
     
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  8. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That’s just stupid, what makes it Duran’s fight? Maybe on that night it’s srl fight and srl was forcing the fight. He coulda danced if he want to.

    It’s like, oh I’m perceived as a runner, I better carry on running else they might think I’m losing the ring generalship game because I’m being “forced” to fight the other guys fight. Bs.
     
  9. Dubblechin

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    Good Lord.
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, that was definitely Leonard's night alright.

    He admitted he fought Duran's fight. And Leonard got beat up so bad he wanted to retire.

    Leonard was definitely in charge. (That's sarcasm, if you couldn't tell.)

    Do people even watch fights before they comment on them around here anymore?
     
  11. junkhead

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    It’s just an ambiguous subjective term. Sometimes neither guys have ring generalship and they’re reacting to each other.

    Usually it’s pretty clear who’s controlling the action because it’s generally a one sided fight in that case.
     
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  12. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Yeah, that's pretty much how I've always interpreted it
     
  13. Jacob Hall

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    ring general dont mean anything if your getting outlanded
     
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  14. northpaw

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    Something super subjective that 2 people watching a fight can
    see completely differently based on what style they like.

    It's ultimately based in a bias..........
     
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  15. Salty Dog

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    This is a nice thing to believe. I choose to believe it as well. I believe more of this kind of sentiment exists than is given credit for in the sport.
     
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