Fleisher badmouthing recent heavyweights (RING, 1962)

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    "Give him a nod from time to time,he likes that" Great Expectations
     
  2. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In all fairness I don't think them top 10s look that weak at all. This might be a little bit controversial, but I think the era gets unfairly underrated, mainly due to Patterson avoiding Liston for a long time.
     
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  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yep!
     
  4. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    It's you! FRANK IN DALLAS not Franklin Dallas
     
  5. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Heh, I agree with Nat mostly.
     
  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Good post.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    At some point two the endeavors of boxing history and boxing nostalgia need to separate and become distinct fields.
     
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  8. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Fantasy fights aren't boxing history anyway.
     
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  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    But the arguments made on behalf of them are informed by boxing history... supposedly.
     
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  10. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He sounds like me, except that he's talking about heavyweights.
     
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  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Some very good posts in this thread...
     
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  12. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if the truth is somewhere between Fleischer and more modern thoughts. I may be mistaken, but I believe the fight Jacobs showed in the 60's was actually a reenactment of the actual fight (of which very little actually remains). What the people may have been laughing at was nothing more than the fact that the actors (Fitzsimmons and Corbett), in the reenactment, were not good actors. In fact, many of the very early boxing films are reenactments, and not the actual fights.
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Jacobs had previously-unseen films of actual fights too:

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...acobs-films-views-on-old-heavyweights.623760/

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/1966-sports-illustrated-article-on-jim-jacobs.585395/
     
  14. Jason Thomas

    Jason Thomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think CBS showed highlights of the Jacobs collection in 1962 on a wintry sunday afternoon. Around two hours worth. I watched it. Off memory, the Fitz-Corbett and Johnson-Jeffries fights were the same ones we see. Not reenactments. And I think the others-Gans, McGovern, Dixon, Ketchel, etc. were of their real fights. Much was made of the first showing of Willard-Johnson.

    I remember watching and being fascinated at seeing men The Ring Magazine contained so much about but whom I had never seen.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It wasn't. I've copied and pasted the article before. He showed them the Fitz-Corbett fight.