Sound on my computer is down right now after it crashed. Will be back up soon. Honestly, it can help out, as you don't get drawn in to what others(commentators) are constantly repeating.
I tend to score fights twice, once with the sound on and once off, because I sometimes buy into what the commentators say and give rounds away to the other fighter when I've scored it to the other guy.
Pea was actually the champ at the time - on paper at least, because DLH was coronated before the fight had even taken place. Agree with your points though, and DLH dodging a rematch irked me no end. I felt shattered for Whitaker that he was able to put in such a good performance and the boxing world just washed over the event and moved on to champion DLH for fighting second rate hacks and shot fighters and getting awards like the KO Magazine fighter of the year. He dodged a rematch with Quartey too, but that wasn't near as bad given that he went on to fight other quality fighters pretty much right after that fight. With Whitaker, DLH went on to fight guys not half his calibre. Terrible dodge imo, and rightfully earnt him the nickname 'Chicken DLH'.
Just recently i have been judging fights without sound, i never really paid attention to the theory before, because i thought that i wouldnt make much of a judge if i cant think by myself regardless of crowd noise (and commentators), but anyway, i did B-Hop-Calzage both ways and had the same both times. And i did soem Holmes bouts without sound recently also
Whitaker taking a clean 7 rounds to 5 decision, but a close fight. This is at 140lb im talking about. Because I feel oscar was at his very best 135-140lb where his power was like dynamite, and whitakers best was 135-140lb.
Now I have to step in. Oscar de La Hoya is one of the few fighters from the last 25 years in the 40 fight era, who fought EVERYONE. I mean literally he fought all the dangerous fighters of his era around his weight class, no one can take that away from him. oscar was fearless, to ever imply oscar ducked somebody with the competition he fought is absurd. The way your nitpicking I could nitpick too and say why didnt whitaker take on rosario and camacho.
That would be like me nitpicking and saying DLH didn't fight Kostya Tszyu or Winky Wright. I'm not making that point. I'm making the point that DLH clearly ducked a rematch with Whitaker and fought 5 low-level opponents in a row instead of taking a fight plenty of people felt he lost. I don't even see how that is contentious. And it's not as if I'm the only one with these sentiments: http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Image:97Aug.jpg Now I'm not denying that DLH fought great competition, because he did, and probably the best in the last 20 or so years in fact, but a duck is a duck, and this was a duck. This content is protected
Quartey deserved a rematch. That was a worse decision than most of DLH's other controversial decisions (other than the Sturm fight). One great round doesn't make up for all the time DLH stood there and looked at Quartey, eating the jab and occassional right hand, and doing nothing.
Ok, that´s the reason you score the fight against him, or is it just your unknowledge. Or is it Jim Lampleys biased commentary.
Why thank you my friend:good How've you been by the way? Haven't seen you around the traps much lately.
I´ve been moving and having some trouble with the Internet connection, but now i´m back. thanks again for the Pea-fights.
Thank you Thread Stealer. Finally someone that agrees with me on this topic. I believe Quartey beat DelaHoya clearly by 115-113, regardless of what happened in the 12th round. One round does not and should not dictate the final scoring of a fight. After both knockdowns in the 6th round, I had Quartey pretty much dominating the fight with his jab and right hand while DelaHoya barely answered back. People also forget the right hand shot Quartey threw in the ninth round, which is one of the best right hand shots anyone has landed on DelaHoya. Like I've said before regarding this topic, I'll agree with the majority that a challenger, Quartey, almost always never defeats a champion, DelaHoya, by getting knocked down himself in the last round of a fight. I'll never forget Jim Lampley's comentary at the end of round 9, "Going into the last three rounds, Oscar DelaHoya is in trouble." To this day I feel that Oscar didn't do near enough to win the fight, especially in the last three rounds. Much worse is the cowardly act of avoiding an immediate rematch with Quartey, which boxing needed at that time.