Ortiz-Hammer. The Aftermath.

He definitely looks past his prime, but if that boy is 50+ years old, he needs to be in the conversation for the greatest heavyweight EVER.

 

ortiz was ok but he needed to make a statement
he did not
he won wide but it was a stay busy fight where he needed to showcase his power to make a joshua/wilder fight .

i thought this showcased hammer to american pronotors more when they are matchmaking there heavy prospects and need someone who will not fall down when there prospect looks at them.

 

The aftermath is Ortiz power showed its overatted and he left with a bloodied face. This was caused bya C level fighter who trained to just land simple right hands against a southpaw and he had the size to maintain center of the ring at times not be bullied on the ropes.

Ortiz vs Joshua would have been a one sided fight then and its even more now. NO southpaw will defeat Joshua at least that ive seen . It would be target practice all night against Ortiz ,a very short night . I don't think Ortiz sees round 5.

Ortiz is probably defeated by povetkin and Whyte ,ands as stated had he taking the Joyce fight while he was with Haye he most likely loses that,but its 50/50.

NOW Joyce is easily favored over him . Head to head Ortiz probably around 7th ranked ,its why I see wilder looking for this fight now as he will win with less struggles next time.. If the WBC orders Breazeale its a harder fight for Wilder.

 

Ortiz isn't a brawler and he wasn't and he won't be so do not expect him to stop those type of opponents (big, tough, high guard, solid defense and chin, throwing big single shots) easily. Hammer is pretty durable and underrated because he has losses on his record but he's a Top 20 HW for sure and i think this is a pretty good win for Ortiz.

Nobody is complaining about the fact that Povetkin didn't stop Rudenko and Hammer, Whyte didn't stop Allen and Helenius. Hammer is much better than Rudenko, Allen or Helenius imo.

 

Yep I said the same thing before the fight, I fully expected it to go late or the distance, he was never going to just blow Hammer out easily, the style match up didn't suggest that was ever likely.

But having said that the ease with which Hammer was landing his right hand suggests at 39 or whatever age you think he is, Ortiz maybe slipping.

 

Well soft punching Fury put Hammer down heavily and made him quit on his stool... Was a total mismatch yet many here think Ortiz would make easy work of Fury..

 

Hammer did better than he should have against Ortiz. Ortiz looked like AJ bait last night. Maybe he can get that mandatory now.

 

No way in hell would Whyte beat Ortiz. He only just scraped by Chisora and realistically lost the 1st one

 

Wow, the Ortiz blinkers are slowly slipping from the collective eyes of the forum I see. And after another W too!
What happened to his bogeyman status? Too many people actually watching him box probably....

 

Ortiz was always vulnerable for big single right hands if the opponent is focusing on those single shots. He is a counterpuncher and if he has to "create" the fight it's tough for him without getting hit, he hasn't the best defense and his left hand is low most of the time. It's hard to say that a 40/41yo isn't slipping, he's old man, and for his age he's still looking great. If he would be 5-6 years younger we all know he would probably beat them all.

 

Beat them all? Going on what? Beating 1 notable opponent in Jennings 4 years ago and beating a bunch of journeymen?

 

Ortiz has always looked the same. Feet set in cement and once he closes distance he just stands there. He's also always got his feet planted to throw power shots.
Fury walks away to a wide UD or corner stoppage and Joshua brutally knocks him out inside 4.

 

He's definitely better when he's faced with an opponent that takes it to him and lets him sit back in the role of a counter puncher. As you say he doesn't have to "create" the fight which leaves him more open for that right hand.

That low left hand from the southpaw stance has always bothered me. Hate seeing southpaws drop the lead too much, means the orthodox jab can come over the top, blocking his jab path when one of the advantages of a southpaw stance is how it allows the southpaw to block the jab path of the orthodox fighter.

If he could beat them all 5-6 years ago he would of been a force back then instead of beating guys like a 42 year old Monte Barrett. I don't think he would of matched up well with Wlad, Wlad wouldn't give him opportunities to counter with his height/reach and spoiler style Wlad would get off first then clinch to smother the counter, it would of been a frustrating night for Ortiz and he would of either lost a UD or get stopped late. Vitali too would of beaten him, though I think he could give Vitali some issues early on, before being ground down and stopped.

 

Five, six or seven years ago Ortiz had **** promoter and lacking work ethic & attitude to make it to the top. I mean he turned pro nine years ago. He was a "fresh" pro in 2012/13. He always had the talent and the skills. He definitely had the potential to do so. But it's an If.... anyway so i can't proof it as he was wasting most of his prime with low level journeyman opposition. I think Wlad would be a good matchup for him, i think a boxer like Wlad would have issues with another boxer who's a southpaw and has very good counterpunching skills. I don't think Wlad ever faced a world class counterpuncher who's a southpaw. But who knows. Fury also a tough matchup because of the height and long arms. But i am pretty sure a PRIME Ortiz beats both Wilder and Joshua.

 

Yeah he had a bad promoter than couldn't do much for him, though that was due to him not being an outstanding amateur, he was usually the 2nd or 3rd best heavyweight in Cuba. He was never good enough to be sent to the big tournaments as an amateur maybe that was down to his lack of work ethic or attitude as you say but if that's the case I can't see him beating everyone 5-6 years ago with that lackadaisical attitude.

Wlad did face a world class counter punching southpaw, Chris Byrd, though that's not really a good comparison, Ortiz is quite different to Byrd, size alone would of given Ortiz a better shot at Wlad let alone the power difference.

Sanders is another though that wasn't the same Wlad that was champion for a decade and Sanders was a lot faster of hand and feet than Ortiz.

Prime Wilder he fought, maybe he wasn't prime when he fought him but as you said in his prime he was lacking in work ethic and attitude so even then he might lose another close fight. Maybe if we create a hypothetical Ortiz that never existed who was in shape, prime, motivated and driven then yeah he might KO Wilder but were dealing with what if's and maybe's here, not reality.

As for Joshua, don't think even the hypothetical perfect version of Ortiz you envision beats Joshua. He has a punchers chance but in reality Joshua would likely break him down and getstopped. Joshua's too big, has a good counter fight hand, Ortiz doesn't have the work rate to make him gas, I think Joshua will stand off use his height and reach and look to counter the counter puncher and as you said before Ortiz is more prone to the right hand when he's forced to create the fight and push forward.