Wilder's manager: “We asked how much is Joshua getting, and we were never told the answer,”

DUCK SQUAD. I have no interest in what anybody from team Wilder has to say anymore, Its a duck and it couldnt be any clearer.

"We were happy with the money offered to us but we wanted to know what the other side was getting". How sad, but then it doesnt really go with everything else they said anyway, they didnt want to sign with DAZN, Wilder wanted to remain a free agent, Wilder wanted to show loyalty to Showtime, Its not about the money, The fight could do more on Showtime.But at the same time they needed to know what Joshua was making.

Its just a list of excuses again, just like when Fury beat Wilder in December. If there is a legitimate reason why you lost or why you turned down the DAZN offer then fine, say it and stick with it. But what we are seeing is multiples of excuses again. You make a list of excuses when you trying to make excuses, you have 1 excuse when you believe in your 1 excuse.

But like i say, as far as im concerned its a big fat DUCK and i really dont care what that side has to say about anything any more.

 

For a PPV fight in the UK Wilder doesn't deserve 50%. For a fight in the US he definitely does. AJ's never done anywhere near Wilder's numbers in the US and he's not well known at all. If anything his US stock has gone down the past 12 months while Wilder's has sky rocketed.

 

Shelly Finkel has taken Wilder from $12.5mn and no rematch clause mid last year to $20mn for a tune up then $40mn plus a $40mn guaranteed rematch. Seems like you don't have a leg to stand out when calling out their business practices. What Shelly said here makes perfect sense.

 

Sky rocketed? He did less than $10mill in his last super fight. He claimed it would do 2.5 million PPV's. It didnt even manage to hit the .5. His profile has raised there is no doubt about it but once again he is being overvalued by his team and his fanboys.

 

It looked to me like Shirley Winkle actually did the opposite. DAZN offered that money not Finkel., You say Finkel has taken Wilder from this to that but when they got to that Finkel talked him out of it. Now both PBC fighters Wilder and Breazeale are going to have the EXACT SAME FIGHT in the EXACT SAME ARENA, but for not even half the amount of money.

Finkel has been turning down offers repeatedly for a year now. He isnt taking them to the money he is leading them away from it, and the fights they claim they want, the same fight all the fans want. ITS A DUCK DAVO. A BIG MASSIVE DUCK.

 

Well we may as well look at Wilder's numbers in the UK eh? Yeah...better not. If we're gonna look at AJ's numbers in the US we have to be fair and look at Wilder's numbers in the UK.

 

Sounds to me like only one party is intersted in making the fight. You can't keep relying on ifs and buts and hoping that the value will increase. That is far from guaranteed. Wilder apologists seem to think holding out for more money is an acceptable excuse when the money is already at ridiulous levels. Oh how I will laugh if Breazeale knocks his block off.

 

He was offered 50% in Hearns deal in a second fight and still ran.

Off that fight He makes at least 60 million off Finkels numbers .

The hard truth is you guys know Finkel is the one who don't want the fight .That's a fact to anyone with a brain.

Hearns deal was approximately 90 million worth in his two deal fight and Wilder ran away.

28 million fight 1
60 million fight 2.

Run Wilder....Run !

 

Go right ahead and do that. Wilder is fighting Breazeale in May. It'll be on Showtime in the U.S. and ITV in the UK.

Joshua is fighting Miller in June. It'll be on the DAZN app in the US (and stories on Twitter today say DAZN has 80,000 subscribers in the U.S. right now, and it may have fewer than that by June, since they doubled their rates) and it'll be on SKY PPV in the UK.

Let's see how many people watch Wilder-Breazeale in the US AND UK compared to Joshua-Miller in the US and UK.

This is going to be laughable.

Millions are going to watch Wilder-Breazeale (not only in the US and UK, but all over the globe). THOUSANDS are going to watch Joshua-Miller.

Like Finkel said, Wilder's stock is only going up. And his name recognition will only be higher after the Breazeale fight. Wilder's fights are watched all over the world.

Joshua, meanwhile is a very big fish in a very small pond. And that pond is only getting smaller by putting his fights on DAZN in the US (they used to be on Showtime) and on Sky PPV at 4 a.m.

 

No it's 100% guaranteed if Wilder beats Breazeale as indicated by Hearn himself in this video:

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But no please, keep drafting your own agenda on this one and trying to convince yourself.

You can apply your last sentence to Joshua in his fight against Miller. Everyone will laugh at him for not accepting the $50m.

 

What business is it of theirs what the other side is getting? Are they so insistent on having things on even terms that they would rather reject a huge offer simply because it's not quite as huge as the opposing side's offer? How idiotic and greedy.

This whole farce of a fight isn't going to get made so long as people like Finkel and Haymon are running the show. They're treating this as a power play in which both sides have to be negotiating on an equal footing, when in reality one side holds an overwhelming number of cards in their favour. Hearn and co could comeback with a two hundred or three hundred million pound offer and Team Wilder would still reject it if it turned out Joshua was getting a tiny bit more.

It's not about the money for these fools, it's about having things their own way. Hopefully they're frozen out until they come to their senses, or until Wilder gets beaten (again).

 

Wilder’s team should know how much is joshua getting .

 

Well here's a radical idea but I bet it wont happen. Joshua can fight on any network for this fight...
Why doesn't Finkel arrange a meeting with Hearn, discuss the details , make an offer to AJ if they really want the fight based on how that meeting goes ? seen as Wilder is all about 1 face , 1 champion etc ... doesn't exactly seem to be offering much to AJs team. Seems to be one way traffic to me.


You can bet if Wilder was offered a 2 fight deal. 50/50 in the first and 60/40 in favour of the winner for the rematch , one fight in the US , one fight in the UK, one live on Showtime PPV and sky sports PPV and one live on DAZN and Sky Sports PPV , neutral judges and ref - Finkel would find a way out of it and Wilder fanboys would find it a valid reason.

 

Non-PPV numbers aren't an indication of how many truly dedicated fans will come and watch those fights. The closest indication of that is through PPV.

And you think that ITV4 numbers at 3am will do better than AJ PPV numbers at 3am? They will not put this on ITV1 most likely. ITV4 viewership is normally poor to begin with for such a big broadcaster. I'm going to say it now. AJ's Sky PPV numbers will beat non-ppv numbers for Wilder's fight.

Read this: https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/weekly-viewing-summary/

ITV4 gets 1.45% of weekly share of the viewers. Now imagine at peak times that might go to 2-2.5%. 3% if it's a big sporting occasion. Now put that on at 3am. We're talking 0.7%, maybe 0.8% of viewers at BEST. Say this is based on around the 70 million people in the UK that live in this country (It probably isn't but I'll give you the best chance possible). That's like 500k.

AJ does around 1 million for his PPV's in the UK. So at 3am, you'd expect maybe 700k. They'll promote it heavily unlike ITV so I expect it to retain most of the viewers. 700k vs 500k. And that's in the best case scenario for Wilder. And they are going to start the broadcast before midnight unlike ITV. That will help to maintain viewership.

 

We'll soon see.