Chris Arreola vs David Haye: can Haye beat even this HW?

Again, I disagree. Wladimir is a much more talented techincian & he's bigger, stronger & has just as much if not more speed. Klitschko may end Haye's night with the jab..............

 

Exactly.

 

Yes. He would do best against the slower one dimensional types like Peter, Tua, etc. There would always be that chance of him getting KO'd obviously but those guys are relatively slow & they don't do enough to set up their punches.

 

And Haye would school Arreola. I didn't see his last fight, but from what I have seen he is slow, clumsy, limited, and effectively a plodder.

Whether Haye could put him away, I'm not sure, his chin does seem to be very good.

 

Did you really just say Wlad has more speed than Haye??? My god you are delusional when it comes to Wlad...

:verysad

 

He said that a prime Tyson vs prime Wlad fight is 75/25 in favor of Wlad.

I stay away from discussions like this, for that reason. :yep

 

At the moment i would say Arreola by late rounds stoppage.

Only because we havent seen Haye fight a viable opponent at Heavyweight.

 

You must have misunderstood what I was the point I was trying to make ... this thread is about Arreola v Haye, not Klitschko -

I don't think that Haye has a shot to beat Klitschko ... he's bigger, strong, just as fast, and alot more schooled. His experience on the elite level will also help him in a fight against Haye who's really never faced an elite HW.

I agree with you on Klitscko's jab ... I think his long reach will be to his advantage and if he choose to he could keep Haye at the end of his punches and cruise to a UD or open him up with some hooks off the jab or a jab/straight right bomb --

But once again my comments were towards Arreola v Haye, nothing to do with Klitschko.

And Haye is faster than 2/3 of the HW division and is more schooled than most.

Haye will atleast gain a title --

 

The only thing standing in Haye's way is he has the wrong passport for " Greatness". He is far to fast, and far to strong for the majorit of the HW division.

 

Klitschko is fast but I don't know if he's faster than Haye ... at this point speed gets no faster than Haye.

I just don't think that Haye can give Wlad any trouble with his speed --

I don't know if Haye has a good enough body attack to offset Klitschko or tire him out.

I also think that its easy to say that he can catch Klitschko with a right hand, but the scenario because more complicated in real life action.

 

david tua will dare young arreola apart

 

Lets not go overboard with Klitchko. He is a good fighter who obviously works hard to make up for natural flair. He does though lack any real instinct and creativity in the ring.

 

So the Samuel Peter fight didn't show you anything? ... no instinct or creativity?

Damn ...

You would think that suffering (3) knockdowns and still managing to come away with a victory would prove that theory wrong.

You would think after 50 victories, 13 championship fights, and 4 undefeated fighters in his last 7 would grant him more respect and clout than that.

 

The dude fights in a dud division, often against guys who 15 yrs ago would be called Alex Stewart level.

Sam Peter may have the power, but to be caught 3 times by someone so blatently devoid of skill must say something.