The 10 point must system

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  1. Flamazide

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    Now scroll up and read what I posted because this was already covered. You have to deduct points from knockdowns.
     
  2. Flamazide

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    I don't know why you think they are treated differently. They are not treated differently. It isn't actually the judge that is deciding to take a point or not. It is the referee's decreeing what is or is not a knockdown. That is why there is no difference. The judge has nothing to do with that. That is why they are equal.
     
  3. IntentionalButt

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    No, you don't. You deduct them for knockdowns SOMETIMES (depending on the situation). You deduct them for a foul ALWAYS.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me Full Member

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    They are treated differently. This is common knowledge. Even casuals know this. You and @the factor - if this really is a case of folie à deux and you're not just two alts of the same person trolling for laughs here - are the only people that don't get it.
     
  5. Flamazide

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    You can not decide that. The judges do not decide if they can or if they cannot take a point. The referee is the one that dictates that. If the judges could determine that then when a referee rules a clear slip as a knockdown it would be a nonissue because the judge could just overrule him. The reason why the referee doesn't go the same procedure of saying "One point" the same way the do for a foul is because it is very apparent if he is ruling it as a slip or a knockdown. Judges do not get to decide what is or is not a knockdown and they can not decide if they will or will not take a point. That isn't what judges do. They just interpret the round based on the scoring criteria in boxing. The second you get knocked down a point is lost (like what the articles I posted said that you keep ignoring) but you don't actually calculate that until the end of the round. I think that is where your confusion comes from actually.
     
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  7. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    You found some scorecards with 9-9 or 9-8 on them and uploaded them here?
     
  8. Flamazide

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    You are a moderator and can see that have different IP addresses. Don't be daft. I also explained the flaw in your logic of "Everyone knows this!". Apply logic. Read points 1-4 and actually try to refute those. Read the article I posted and quotes. You can not add points. You have to deduct points for a knockdown. You start at 10 points. Judges have to defer to referees for point deductions. They are NOT treated differently. There is no logical reason to treat them differently. There is nothing in the rules either written nor unwritten (judges undergo a set of instructions on how to perform their duties once they become a judge) about the difference of point deductions. Some people, even judges, get this wrong which is why you are going to find instances of what you are arguing but that does not mean that it is correct.
     
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  10. DoubleJab666

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    That's an opinion piece by Bob Hanna, a journalist for South Coast Today, not a referee, or qualified boxing judge it would seem.

    Fine, Bob agrees with you, but most here don't. And I don't think South Coast Today is a publication I would turn to in order to make a persuasive case. What would prove your point of view conclusively would be a fight scorecard which includes a 9-9 or 9-8 score for a round without a foul. If you are right, that will be a very simple task.

    Here's a link which should help save you some time.... http://boxingscorecards.com
     
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  11. Flamazide

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    Teddy Atlas as well but that is irrelevant. Logic. It doesn't matter if people agree or not. This is not a question of opinion. We are talking logic and procedure.
    A list of important fights is not going to be a good source to find some rare occurrence that is often misunderstood.
     
  12. DoubleJab666

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    Interesting that in one post you correctly point out this is not a matter of opinion and also fail to provide objective evidence. If your opinion was logical - and you brought logic into the matter - you would be able to support it with evidence, but clearly you can't. Logically speaking, doesn't it concern you, that despite believing it possible to score a round without a '10' to the winner (with no points deducted for fouls) you can't find a single score card to support that assertion?

    No alarm bells ringing?
     
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  13. Flamazide

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    ...Logic IS objective evidence. You can't gain points. You start 10. You lose points for knockdowns. Judges can not decide to not take points in situations where points are deducted. It isn't that I can't find a single scorecard, it is that I'm not searching through a giant ****ing database (not that website that hasn't been updated since 2013 and appears to have roughly 50 cards and only from what are considered to be big fights) to find a 9-9 scorecard where. Just follow 1-4 of what I posted. Also why are we acting like judges are perfect all of the sudden?
     
  14. Power_tek

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    Didn’t pulev dinu have a 9-9 last week?