Why is Deontay Wilder not embraced in America like Ali or Tyson was?

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Seriously. What year do you think this is? Or are you just copying and pasting the same snide remarks you posted three or four years ago?

    The top five heavyweights in the Ring Ratings TODAY are Wilder, Joshua, Fury, Ortiz and Whyte. Wilder dropped Fury and Ortiz a combined five times.

    During Ali's first reign and Tyson's first reign, they both managed nine successful title defenses. Deontay Wilder is going to make his ninth defense of the WBC title next month.

    Most heavyweights never make as many.

    He's doing great.
     
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  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Same reason why Kim Kardashian is more popular than him for doing absolutely nothing but sucking dick and ****ing. Dumbass American public who like and obsess over dumb things with no meaning or value or talent.
     
  3. SeanK

    SeanK Member Full Member

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    Real question is why would he be?
    Which of his fights could capture the public’s attention? He hasn’t fought an elite fighter. He isn’t champ of the world, which is what people actually care about. If he does capture the lineal championship I’d expect a spike in popularity, but he won’t compare to amazing the fans like Ali or Tyson. Most champions don’t.
     
  4. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot etreuM aL Full Member

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    against Stivern and a bunch of no one's
     
  5. boxfan99

    boxfan99 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Because Wilder isn't the world champion, he has 1 out of 4 "world" championship belts, not counting ibo, ibc aso. If anyone is the world champion it's the guy, Anthony Joshua, with 3 out of 4 "world" championship belts OR the lineal champion which may be Tyson Fury (I'm not getting into whether or not he is lineal...).

    If you compare with Ali for instance then he held both championship belts at the time and Tyson held the 3 main titles during his reign and on top of that beat the lineal champion, Spinks.

    Don't underestimate the American public that much, they might very well be desperate after a great new HW hope, but I'm sure even patriotism only goes so far in blinding most of them, and most can probably see Wilder for the fabricated fraud he is.
     
  6. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot etreuM aL Full Member

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    come on pimp you don't think the lack of a credible opponent hurt him
     
  7. rapscalion

    rapscalion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He doesn’t have the skills or personality they did. The division sucks, no one has cared about boxing especially heavyweight in America for quite some time now
     
  8. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Yeah, one of them was an overrated Cuban who also hadn't fought anybody, had high blood pressure,and was probably a decade older than his "official" age.

    The other was a fat slob who rolled off his couch and essentially exposed just how limited and fraudulent WIlder is. The only reason he didn't KO that joke is that he's featherfisted.
     
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  9. Kingmaffe

    Kingmaffe Active Member Full Member

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    And those defences don’t mean much, when the only credible opponents are Ortiz and Fury. He is carefully maneuvered, and doesn’t seem interested in fighting the best, when they are/were available (Parker when he was WBO champ, Joshua unifed champ now). He is a ducker, that is a major turn off, and will never get him the recognition of Tyson and Ali.

    The quality of the Tyson-Smith fight have nothing to do with it you idiot, it was the fact that Tyson sought out a fellow champ. Joshua-parker was an eye-turd, but who cares now, because it gave Joshua a scalp and another title. The road to become undisputed.

    And no, Wilder is not an ATG. You need a serious scalp for that. Riddick Bowe is barely pushing for ATG status and he’s got Holyfield x2.
     
  10. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali really wasnt embraced at all large-scale stateside until the end of his career. Tyson was more embraced large-scale everywhere on the planet with a human beating pulse than he was some American phenomenon -- because he was so unique and gifted which produced a **** ton of highlight reel KO's and looked invincible early on. Their dynamic and strengths and perceptions in direct contrast with each other at start and finish of their careers especially in terms of reception throughout the world I think shows that flash and athleticism is what initially grabs our attention, but strength of character and will are what we as humans cherish the most.
     
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  11. SeanK

    SeanK Member Full Member

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    This is a very strange way to interpret these 3 careers, and you must accept the vast majority would disagree with this. Ali was and is beloved. More people would recognize him now than Wilder. Your objectively wrong if you think Wilder will ever be seen as half the champion either of them were.

    9 defences is impressive, but a lot of those defences were against total jokes.
    Meanwhile, Ali fought every fighter of note in his time and out of them all ended up with the best looking record. His era is pretty well accepted as the golden age of his division, to further cement his status as someone Wilder hasn’t earned the right to brought up with.

    By the way the score for times holding the lineal championship is 3 to 0 for Ali.
     
  12. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You would have thought that considering America's most popular fighters have been dislikable characters such as Mayweather, Tyson, Ali and Hopkins that Wilder would have fit right in.
     
  13. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    What talent does Wilder have? Windmilling like a drunk barroom brawler?
     
  14. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boxing is not at the same level it was at when Tyson was fighting. And people tend to know that. Wilder has really only fought one really good guy and that is Fury, and now Wilder has a draw on his record because basically Fury is a better fighter than Wilder. But Wilder has that power and all he has to do is connect once and Fury goes down. I want to see Joshua against Fury.

    As for Fury vs. Wilder. I don't think Tyson would have had a draw against Fury. And I like Fury, but Tyson would have worked the body and come upstairs and stopped him in 5 or 6 rounds I think. I think it could be that boxing is not as big as it was, so if you compare how far down boxing has gone, then it explains Tyson's era to Wilder.
     
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  15. Geo1122

    Geo1122 Active Member Full Member

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    This explains it better than I ever could. Engaging audio as well

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