Dillain Whyte article from Steve Bunce about being stitched up.

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  1. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know most on here felt like Whyte was stupid to turn Joshua down and I've been critical myself but after reading this Steve Bunce article on the BBC I do have some sympathy.
    Steve Bunce said he can't remember anyone in the last 50yrs that's been frozen out after doing everything asked to fight for a title.Easy for us to judge but Joshuas offer of four million was clearly a low ball offer and imo he always had designs on fighting Miller.
    The WBC made a comment on the article when asked why Breazele who was below Whyte,was made mandatory instead of Whyte?in reply they said Breazele signed a contract to fight Molina with the chance to fight Wilder if he won.They actually had the cheek to say nothing is done behind closed doors and they've only followed the rules of you can believe this rubbish?
    Whyte does have a point imo,he said to offer Fury 15 million and him four is crazy and imo I think he's worth something inbetween as it's a big fight in the UK although I can't blame Joshua for doing this as Whyte is more dangerous than Miller imo.
    Will have to see what happens next but given how the big three are not gonna fight any time soon I think Whyte is in a good position actually.
     
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  2. BaileyBlack

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    Why should Joshua, Fury or Wilder do Whyte any favours?

    Whyte had the opportunity to fight Joshua. He turned it down because he wanted more money.

    Whyte had the opportunity to fight Pulev for the IBF mandatory. He turned it down in favour of more money with a UK PPV.

    Whyte had the opportunity to fight Ortiz for the WBC second mandatory. He turned it down in favour of more money with a UK PPV. If he had taken that fight, he would have been in no worse position than he is now where he will most likely have to fight someone for the WBC mandatory position after Breazedale. And the split for that fight will probably be 50/50.

    I like Whyte and I think he and Matchroom/Sky have done marvelously well to turn him into a UK PPV fighter, however, he has had opportunities to fight for the belts and he turned them down due to money.

    At some point he has to realise that he is only going to get to fight for the belts if he is prepared to compromise on money and I don't think he is that far yet. Joshua reportedly made one fifth the purse of Charles Martin to get his chance at the belt. Joshua took 50% to unify with Vlad. Joshua reportedly paid Parker 30% for his belt. At some point Whyte has to realise that he has to choose between making a financial sacrifice now in order to be able to reap the potential rewards later. How much does he think Breazedale is going to earn for his shot at Wilder? Will it be anywhere close to 5 million pounds? I think not.

    At every point, Whyte has made a calculated decision. He cannot call foul now when he knew what the potential consequences of his actions were likely to be.
     
  3. madballster

    madballster VIP Member Full Member

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    If Whyte doesn't like the fights being offered to him all he has to do is become mandatory at one of four (4!) sanctioning bodies. Certainly if he really wanted to he could have gotten an eliminator fight with one of them in the last 1-2 years. But he chose different opponents for short term financial gains.
     
  4. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Whyte accepted the guarantee for the Joshua fight, negotiations broke down over the rematch splits with Whyte objecting to AJ taking the lions share of any rematch:

    https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/487434/dillian-whyte-eddie-hearn-anthony-joshua/

    Whyte has a moral case against the WBC who have clearly messed up their hw mandatories, in a way that has been suspiciously convenient for Haymon and Wilder, but I don't think he can complain about the voluntary offer he got to fight for 3 belts, that was a fantastic opportunity which he declined for financial reasons. His choice, but don't moan about it afterwards.
     
  5. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    Just shows what bs the current rankings and mandatory systems are.
    Each organisations top 10 are wildly different to the point where they have virtually unknown novice boxers in the top 3 in the world.
    I applaud Whyte for not playing ball and going his own way. Any moaning or whining Whyte does about the rankings is fully justified, it's a business and the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
     
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  6. BaileyBlack

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    Whyte complains about Charr dissing him but the boxing fans are not interested in Whyte vs Charr. Whyte only wants to fight Charr so that he can get that WBA regular strap so that he can call himself some kind of champion, but me as a fan, I want to see him fight Ortiz, Povetkin or rematch Parker. If one of that three is not his next fight then I am not really interested.
     
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  7. Gymbot

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    Sick of hearing Whyte's bleating. He's quickly starting to realise that a fight purse isn't worth as much as 3 championship belts. If he was that confident, he would have taken the derisory £4m and secured the belts for himself. Then he wouldn't have to worry about money ever again. This is typical of the misguided greed and shortsightedness in boxing today. I don't have any sympathy for him. As for Bunce, he's in Frank Warren's pocket, so no surprise there.
     
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  8. Tazz

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    I'm a huge fan of Whyte but he not only turned down the AJ fight, but he also turned down the Pulev fight last year which could have made him IBF mandatory. He has basically frozen himself out.

    As for the WBC, Breazeale has been their mandatory since 2017. It has been known the whole time, and many seem to pretend he was only just made mandatory.

    Whyte has nothing to complain about anyway in my opinion. His last two fights were clearly for the payday. As long as he keeps on that track he will eventually get another opportunity to fight for a World title, while making good money on the way.
     
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  9. infini IV

    infini IV Dillian Whyte. KTFO like I said he would Full Member

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    He has already turnt down the Povetkin fight. Whyte is the divisions biggest ducker whilst talking the most sh1t.
     
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  10. Brighton bomber

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    While I have sympathy for Whyte being frozen out of the WBC mandatory position as he is clearly more deserving than Breazeale I can't really say the same about the Joshua scenario.

    Now £4 mill or whatever the 2 offers after that initial offer was, Whyte clearly saw this record payday as a lowball offer and to some extent he is right. Whyte brings value to the table in the UK, Joshua/Whyte is a big fight in the UK will definitely do at least what the Povetkin fight did and probably as much as the Parker fight. He's probably worth £6-7 mill maybe a bit more in regards to what extra revenue he brings to Joshua but fact is, according to Whyte even that's nowhere near what he's looking for for a Joshua fight. If Whyte thinks he's worth £10 mill, he's in dream land with Wilder thinking he deserves 50/50 vs Joshua.

    Whyte needs to be realistic, he isn't a mandatory for Joshua and Joshua makes great money whoever he fights, he has already beaten Whyte and so why does Joshua need to do Whyte any favours? Joshua doesn't need Whyte, he could never fight Whyte again and honestly most people wouldn't care if Joshua unifies all the belts and is continually fighting good opposition most of the time. Whyte overplayed his hand pure and simple.

    As for Whyte comparing himself to Fury. Please Fury is obviously being overpaid, ESPN isn't making any money off the Schwarz fight. Whyte simply doesn't have the profile in the US like Fury does having fought Wilder in a dramatic fight. Whyte maybe a big deal in the UK but he has no belt, no profile in the US and so ESPN and DAZN are not going to be throwing him big money to secure his services. Whyte is closer to Pulev in the eyes of the big players in the US market not Fury, the comparison from Whyte is ludicrous the fact he's comparing the US market to the UK market where he does have a profile just highlights even more how out of touch he is with his true value in regards to the Joshua fight.
     
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  11. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Whyte is the bogeyman of the HW division. He offers very little upside for promoters as an overall package apart from being a dangerous fight for their main stars (Fury, Wilder and Joshua).

    He isnt that marketable and is too dangerous so he has been checkmated.....for now.

    However, when his opportunity does come he had better be mentally and physically prepared.
    He should be using this time off to refine his skills and become a more complete fighter instead of sulking to Kugan Cassius on IFLTV or picking a fight with Lawrence Okolie who he outweighs by 50lbs.
     
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  12. BaileyBlack

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    Now I don't want to come over sounding too critical on Whyte. I do believe the WBC did him dirty. However, as your elders always said, crying over spilt milk delivers nothing.

    Whyte needs to move forward. Fight whoever the WBC put forward as an eliminator for the mandatory position. Then try to have the mandatory enforced.

    His way to the WBO is blocked by Usyk. For the IBF, Pulev is not going to give up the mandatory spot and with the WBA, Charr and whowever else holds one of the joke belts are going to hold on to the Joshua lottery ticket.

    For Whyte, the way forward is the WBC and he needs to put all his efforts over the next 18 months in fighting for that title, irrespective of who the champion is.
     
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  13. BaileyBlack

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    And by the way, Bunce is a Frank Warren shill and has an extremely annoying voice and persona. If he says something, I am always inclined to take the opposite view.
     
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  14. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    And he needs to look spectacular in winning too....by violent knockout (like the Chisora fight) if he can so the public take more notice of him and rally behind his cause.
     
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  15. 305th

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    Bunce showing once again he has his finger firmly a million miles away from the pulse.
     
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